MRP thread 2017

[G-Mo77]

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Mills went the cheeky elbow, fake tough guy act on a bloke dumb enough to give him what that deserves. Bugg is a fool, but I didn't mind that one. 4 weeks.

What an absolute load of shit.

[Bornadog]

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What an absolute load of shit.

Exactly, a one punch connecting in the wrong spot can kill. Have a look at the poor surgeon recently at Box Hill hospital. Bugg's punch must have been hard to render some one with concussion.

[always right]

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I'm just surprised Bugg didn't also take a dive once he threw the punch. Nothing will please me more than seeing this bloke rubbed out. The beauty for Melbourne is that his absence will probably improve their side.

[bulldogtragic]

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#CowardPunch

[soupman]

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Mills went the cheeky elbow, fake tough guy act on a bloke dumb enough to give him what that deserves. Bugg is a fool, but I didn't mind that one. 4 weeks.

Yeah nah. I'm not a fan of the elbow move either but Buggs punch was ridiculous. Deserves to be rubbed out for 6 weeks easy. he does that in real life and he is charged with assault. Something like that can change peoples lives.

[Doc26]

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Mills went the cheeky elbow, fake tough guy act on a bloke dumb enough to give him what that deserves. Bugg is a fool, but I didn't mind that one. 4 weeks.

Geez SoS I generally like your opinions but with this one we're miles off.

The age old relic of "What happens on the field should stay on the field" sits in a bygone era and raised by those neanderthals who still don't understand the difference between cowardice/assault and toughness/loveable rogue.

What would the response be from the league, and more importantly from the authorities, if Callum Mills, as a direct result of the incident, seen to millions of viewers last night, suffered a brain haemorrhage and was subsequently pronounced dead? Not at all an unrealistic outcome given all we know today from the effects of a coward punch.

Why is such an action completely ignored by authorities simply because it happens on a playing field involving inflated pig skin and then because its occurring at the highest / elite level of the game?

In this day and age, with all that is known on the extreme danger of being struck by a 'Coward Punch', where innocent lives are taken, I'm confused as to why external authorities do not step in to act and make an appropriate assault charge. This would send a message needed to society that under no circumstances is it acceptable to assault someone and as with last night in such a cowardly and life threatening manner.

As a society are we so naive to accept that a coward punch played out at at the elite level of a sporting game is somehow different in both consequence and intent from it happening at a bar?

[Bornadog]

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Hunter charged by MRP


Western Bulldogs midfielder Lachie Hunter has been charged by the Match Review Panel with rough conduct following an incident with West Coast’s Jeremy McGovern on the weekend.

He can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.

Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Eagles, the incident was assessed as carless conduct with low impact to the head.

The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty.

[westdog54]

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Geez SoS I generally like your opinions but with this one we're miles off.

The age old relic of "What happens on the field should stay on the field" sits in a bygone era and raised by those neanderthals who still don't understand the difference between cowardice/assault and toughness/loveable rogue.

What would the response be from the league, and more importantly from the authorities, if Callum Mills, as a direct result of the incident, seen to millions of viewers last night, suffered a brain haemorrhage and was subsequently pronounced dead? Not at all an unrealistic outcome given all we know today from the effects of a coward punch.

Why is such an action completely ignored by authorities simply because it happens on a playing field involving inflated pig skin and then because its occurring at the highest / elite level of the game?

In this day and age, with all that is known on the extreme danger of being struck by a 'Coward Punch', where innocent lives are taken, I'm confused as to why external authorities do not step in to act and make an appropriate assault charge. This would send a message needed to society that under no circumstances is it acceptable to assault someone and as with last night in such a cowardly and life threatening manner.

As a society are we so naive to accept that a coward punch played out at at the elite level of a sporting game is somehow different in both consequence and intent from it happening at a bar?

I can answer that.

For Police to get involved, one of two things needs to happen:

1) The victim needs to make a statement to Police; or
2) The assault needs to cause Serious Injury, which the crimes act defines as follows:

(a) an injury (including the cumulative effect of more than one injury) that— (i) endangers life; or (ii) is substantial and protracted; or (b) the destruction, other than in the course of a medical procedure, of the foetus of a pregnant woman, whether or not the woman suffers any other harm;

Since neither applies, Police are helpless onlookers.

[Doc26]

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I can answer that.

For Police to get involved, one of two things needs to happen:

1) The victim needs to make a statement to Police; or
2) The assault needs to cause Serious Injury, which the crimes act defines as follows:


Since neither applies, Police are helpless onlookers.

Thanks Westdog, much appreciated.

Way beyond my area of expertise but it is interesting that interpretation of the crimes act might not yet consider a so called coward punch, causing severe concussion or brain haemorrhage, to be a 'serious injury' that might endanger life. It would appear that as a society we haven't moved far enough in how we might punish such actions particularly given how serious the effect of a single concussive event (or hit to the head) has proven to be on one's life.

Who and how is it determined what type of injury might endanger life ?

Noting that it occurred long ago but can anyone recall what brought about Leigh Matthews being charged for his coward punch on Neville Bruns? Did Bruns make a Police statement? I know that Matthews has been vocal in his thoughts on what he views as overstepping boundaries.

[bulldogtragic]

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Thanks Westdog.

Way beyond my area of expertise but it is interesting that interpretation of the crimes act might not yet consider a so called coward punch, causing severe concussion or brain haemorrhage, to be a serious injury that might threaten life. It would appear that as a society we haven't moved far enough in how we might punish such actions particularly given how serious the effect of a single concussive event (or hit to the head) has proven to be on one's life.

Noting that it occurred long ago but do you know what brought about Leigh Matthews being charged for his coward punch on Neville Bruns. Did Bruns make a Police statement?

NRL celebrate it every State of Origin. Plenty of work to do.

Unless the Summary Offences Act/Crimes Act has changed recently, an 'offence against the person' (ie assault) needs a victim, as opposed to an 'offence against statute' (ie burglary). Without a victim statement generally the court would be unlikely be satisfied of the existence of a victim, and therefore no offence would be proven. I'm pretty sure there's a defence (rarely used) in any event that a player could use to argue it fell within a sporting contest (consented to). Then it's a fight about whether the punch is within the defence. It's a quagmire really, and without a player walking into a police station, making a full statement and reporting a crime, as WD says, the police are sidelined.

Edit: On Bruns/Matthews, the laws may have been different.

[jeemak]

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Need to be careful about contextualising this in the same way one would a coward punch on the street. Death from the latter isn't often caused by the blow itself, but rather secondary factors such as those associated with the nervous system or hard surfaces the head strikes afterwards.

Bugg's actions were cowardly, sure, and I think he's a real prick for doing what he did.

[westdog54]

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Thanks Westdog, much appreciated.

Way beyond my area of expertise but it is interesting that interpretation of the crimes act might not yet consider a so called coward punch, causing severe concussion or brain haemorrhage, to be a 'serious injury' that might endanger life. It would appear that as a society we haven't moved far enough in how we might punish such actions particularly given how serious the effect of a single concussive event (or hit to the head) has proven to be on one's life.

Who and how is it determined what type of injury might endanger life ?

Noting that it occurred long ago but can anyone recall what brought about Leigh Matthews being charged for his coward punch on Neville Bruns? Did Bruns make a Police statement? I know that Matthews has been vocal in his thoughts on what he views as overstepping boundaries.

A brain hemorrhage would most certainly be considered a serious injury.

With the Bugg/Mills incident, if concussion was the extent of the injury it wouldn't meet the definition.

A lot of the serious injuries that come about with coward punches occur when heads hit pavements/hard floors when the victim falls unconscious.

NRL celebrate it every State of Origin. Plenty of work to do.

Unless the Summary Offences Act/Crimes Act has changed recently, an 'offence against the person' (ie assault) needs a victim, as opposed to an 'offence against statute' (ie burglary). Without a victim statement generally the court would be unlikely be satisfied of the existence of a victim, and therefore no offence would be proven. I'm pretty sure there's a defence (rarely used) in any event that a player could use to argue it fell within a sporting contest (consented to). Then it's a fight about whether the punch is within the defence. It's a quagmire really, and without a player walking into a police station, making a full statement and reporting a crime, as WD says, the police are sidelined.

Edit: On Bruns/Matthews, the laws may have been different.

The definition of serious injury was narrowed about 3 years ago. Prior to that it was essentially a combination of injuries and was a very vauge definition.

[Topdog]

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8 weeks for me for Bugg. Timing of it was bloody stupid.

[bulldogtragic]

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8 weeks for me for Bugg. Timing of it was bloody stupid.

About right. I didn't think I'd see something as awful after Barry Hall's punch. But we have now. Hall got 7 weeks so that's my minimum weeks. If the tribunal want to make a statement, an extra two weeks to 9 would do the job. Take him out their first final and with no match practice, if they get into the semis, he wouldn't have enough match practice you'd imagine.

[Bornadog]

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About right. I didn't think I'd see something as awful after Barry Hall's punch. But we have now. Hall got 7 weeks so that's my minimum weeks. If the tribunal want to make a statement, an extra two weeks to 9 would do the job. Take him out their first final and with no match practice, if they get into the semis, he wouldn't have enough match practice you'd imagine.

I agree as this was completely different to the Houli one and so should get more than 4 weeks ( I bet that is what he gets).

Houli was careless, trying to shrug off someone harassing him but swung the elbow to unluckily hit his opponent.

Bugg's is straight out thuggery, punching someone in the head with no other harassment other than some pushing and shoving.