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Re: MRP thread 2017
But it did exist. It has been a thing ever since I played junior footy, if you stop them getting their hands free they can't dispose of the ball. Our game has been slow to evolve in the past but this is not one of those things to have only appeared in the past decade.
So exactly as it is now?
Currently players have an opportunity to dispose of the ball by hand or foot either pre or during the tackle, and if they fail to do so in adequate time whilst in the motion of being tackled then it is holding the ball.
How is this proposal different to the current system?
I would argue the contrary, the worst thing about the holding the ball interpretations atm is the idea that "knocked out in the tackle" should go unpunished, and not be considered the same as failing to dispose of it legally by hand or foot. In fact as it stands a player is given every opportunity to dispose of it legally or illegally before being called. I think the tackler is too hard done by in most cases. Kind of similar to how Bulldog Joe puts it:
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Yep I agree, this is a dangerous action and I am pleased the league is trying to stamp it out. But lets be clear, the dangerous action is the driving a player into the turf portion, not the pinning of the arms.
I'd prefer the conversation be started about abolishing from the game this current day approach of pinning / holding the arms of the player with the ball in the first instance.And how do you propose this is enforced?Whilst I'm not a supporter of incessant rule changes, this action has become a blight on our game and I say it's time to get rid of it.
As far as I can tell you'd have to ban any tackle that did not involve a player tackling around a players waist, upper legs or by holding onto their jumper. And to ban it effectively it means it would need to be a freekick against any tackle that had more than a glancing blow to the ball carriers arms. Meaning approximately 80% of tackles from the last forever years are now freekicks against the tackler. Hence my "supporters would be outraged" comment.
In terms of the impact that would have on the game, firstly players when faced with a tackler would keep the ball close to their chest, making it very difficult for a tackler to grab them without grabbing the arms. No more seeing Bontempelli or Macrae hold the ball high in the air as they take a tackle and fire out a handball from above their head. Dustin Martin would receive a freekick for every don't argue he attempts as his opponents will grab onto the only part they can reach, his arm, which is now illegal. Supporters will be practically jumping the fence when Dahlhaus does an inspirational chase down on a forward running into open goal, only to concede the free kick because in the process he inadvertently pinned the players right arm to his hip.
Soon players adjust to this new interpretation, and decide that tackling is not worth it. It is just too difficult to tackle someone around their waist and only around their waist (seeing as both the lower leg and above the shoulders are already illegal). In open play players opt for the bump instead of the tackle in an effort to dispossess their opponents, defenders try to corral their opponents away from goal like sheepdogs so as not to concede a free kick in a crucial position, and congested ball ups in the centre of the ground are a display of star midfielders trying to snatch the ball from eachothers hands.
The above is possibly an exaggeration, but to ban tackling by pinning the arms is to ban tackling.
I guess the alternative is to do what Bulldog Joe suggests
But again this punishes powerful players that can burst out of a tackle (think Mitch Hahn) and really seeing as most tackles of this nature end in holding the ball anyway I fee like this is basically another way to say get the umpire to blow their whistle quicker which is kind of what Bulldog Joe alludes to at the end of his post.
But really the best way to stamp out dangerous tackles where one player gets another in a vulnerable position by pinning their arms or any other means of defending themselves from impact, and then causes said impact by throwing/riding/pulling them to ground would be to punish those that do so, possibly with suspensions of 2-3 weeks, regardless of player profile, until players get it in their head that bringing an opponent to ground in that fashion is not worth it for the measly freekick they may get (and in Dangerfields case, didn't).
But then...isn't this what the AFL is already doing?
The AFL doesn't make a lot of good changes, but this is probably something where the compromise from both angles is about right, and certainly any player that does one of those tackles this week is an idiot. The AFL has made a statement rubbing Dangerfield out, and I'm sure it broke their hearts to do it, but it's a pretty decent awareness campaign that those tackles just aren't on anymore.I should leave it alone but you're not rightComment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Great post. You've covered a lot there Soup, by and large spot on.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
The AFL wishes to advise the Match Review Panel has reviewed the matches played in Round 20 of the 2017 Toyota AFL Premiership Season. The following charges were laid:
Charges Laid:
Tom Hawkins, Geelong Cats, has been charged with striking Dane Rampe, Sydney Swans, during the second quarter of the Round 20 match between the Geelong Cats and the Sydney Swans played at Domain Stadium on Friday August 4, 2017.
In summary, due to a previous poor record, his two-match sanction is increased by one further game to three matches and he can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Sydney Swans Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional contact with low impact to the face. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. A poor record over the last two seasons increases the penalty by one-game to a three-match sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a two-match sanction.
Mitch Duncan, Geelong Cats, has been charged with a striking Tom Papley, Sydney Swans, during the fourth quarter of the Round 20 match between the Geelong Cats and the Sydney Swans, played at Domain Stadium on Friday August 4, 2017.
In summary he can accept one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Sydney Swans Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with medium impact to the body. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a one-match sanction.
Shane Mumford, GWS Giants, has been charged with engaging in rough conduct against Max Gawn, Melbourne, during the third quarter of the Round 20 match the GWS Giants and Melbourne, played at UNSW Canberra Oval on Saturday August 5, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Melbourne Football Club, the incident was assessed as careless conduct with medium impact to the head. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has a no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a one-match sanction.
Zach Merrett, Essendon, has been charged with striking Lachie Plowman, Carlton, during the second quarter of the Round 20 match between Essendon and Carlton, played at the MCG on Saturday August 5, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, the incident was assessed as an intentional conduct with medium impact to the body. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a one-match sanction.
Joe Daniher, Essendon, has been charged with striking Blaine Boekhorst, Carlton, during the third quarter of the Round 20 match between Essendon and Carlton, played at the MCG on Saturday August 5, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, the incident was assessed as an careless conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was a second classifiable offence this season and classified as a $2500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1500 sanction.
Brodie Grundy, Collingwood, has been charged with engaging in rough conduct against Ben Brown, North Melbourne, during the second quarter of the Round 20 match between Collingwood and North Melbourne, played at Etihad Stadium on Saturday August 5, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from North Melbourne Football Club, the incident was assessed as careless conduct with high impact to the head. The incident was classified as a three-match sanction. The player has no applicable record with impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a two-match sanction.
Josh Jenkins, Adelaide Crows, has been charged with a first wrestling offence for wrestling Jackson Trengove, Port Adelaide, during the second quarter of the Round 20 match between the Adelaide Crows and Port Adelaide, played at the Adelaide Oval on Sunday August 6, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for wrestling is a $1500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.
Jackson Trengove, Port Adelaide, has been charged with a third wrestling offence for wrestling Josh Jenkins, Adelaide Crows, during the second quarter of the Round 20 match between Port Adelaide and the Adelaide Crows, played at the Adelaide Oval on Sunday August 6, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $2500 sanction with an early plea.
A third offence for wrestling is a $4000 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $2500 sanction.
Other incidents assessed
Contact between Melbourne’s Jake Melksham and the GWS Giants’ Jacob Hopper from the third quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. It was the view of the panel that the force used in the contact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
Contact between North Melbourne’s Ben Cunnington and Collingwood’s Tyson Goldsack from the third quarter of Saturday’s match was assessed. The panel said a Collingwood player had the ball and kicked upfield towards Goldsack. Goldsack begin to move to his left to seek to mark the ball while Cunnington ran towards the contest on his line to the ball. Contact was made between the pair as the ball arrived. It was the view of the panel that Cunnington ran in a direct path to the ball and his action was not a bumping action was not unreasonable in the circumstances. No further action was taken.
The match day report laid against St Kilda’s Luke Dunstan for tripping West Coast’s Jack Redden was assessed. It was the view of the panel the force used was below that required to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Geelong facing Richmond with no Selwood, Duncan & Hawkins... Ouch!!Comment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Mumford, the Geelong boys and Merrit all seem good results for us[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Comment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Hopefully grundy appeals, that's an awful decision imoComment
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They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.Comment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Everyone has been talking about how Grundy laid the 'perfect tackle'.
And it's been making me sick to my stomach all weekend.
I don't know who teaches tackling technique these days, but when did we actually start teaching players to pick up their opponents in a tackle?
Grundy lays a tackle, pins both arms, then, in a totally separate motion, picks up and throws Ben Brown into the ground.
It was dangerous and stupid and two weeks is a good result for Grundy.Comment
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Re: MRP thread 2017
Yep, really slammed him into the turf and face first, much more forceful than Danger's, right decision
What was wrong was the umpire paying it as holding the ball and not a free kick to North. The bloke was knocked out on the ground between Grundy and the man on the mark, surprised he didn't pay a 50!If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.
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