MRP thread 2017

[boydogs]

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Thanks to Boydogs

Not me mate. First time I've seen that, almost identical

[Bornadog]

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Not me mate. First time I've seen that, almost identical

I have always thought that twitter account was yours. No probs

[jeemak]

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Interesting that apparently they drew on the Luke Parker incident against Hawthorn as reason for it to be given leniency.

When Luke Parker kicked the Hawthorn player I may have shown my disgust against that clear kicking incident here in the AFL Round thread, much as I did towards a couple of Hawks supporters on message at the time.

I hate kickers. They're terrible, but, they know when they're being wankers.

[Topdog]

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Players Association are up in arms about the decision and then the subsequent appeal failing adding an extra week.

[Hotdog60]

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'Our concerns go both ways': Dogs seek MRP change
THE WESTERN Bulldogs will table their concerns about the Match Review Panel at the end of the season, with president Peter Gordon declaring the system should change in 2018.

The AFL Players Association is also set to seek a meeting with the AFL after forming its own concerns about an "over-correction" on penalties for jumper and gut punches in the second half of the season.

Players have lost 62 games through suspensions this season (including the JLT Community Series) compared to 45 in 2016 and 57 in 2015, with the Tribunal hearing five cases since round 14.

Bulldogs forward Jack Redpath was suspended for three matches on Tuesday night for striking Greater Western Sydney defender Phil Davis after his Tribunal challenge failed.

Redpath's strike would normally have attracted a one-match ban, but his bad record and decision to challenge the charge meant an extra two weeks were applied, once the challenge failed.

Gordon said the Bulldogs would be making a submission to the AFL at the end of the season about their own experiences with the system and ways they believe it could be improved.

"I've got a number of concerns from a legal point of view about the system," Gordon told SEN.

"We will at the end of this season be communicating with the AFL about our concerns, and our concerns go both ways.

"We are concerned sometimes about penalties being too harsh, but we are also concerned about the need for players to be protected.

"I hope that when the AFLPA goes to the AFL, as they propose to do, they will remember that their foremost concern is for the health and safety of their members."

Gordon said he would prefer an MRP system without a table of offences, which sees every offence graded as either careless or intentional before impact and contact are assessed in specific categories.

"What I think we need is some judicial officers with commonsense and experience in football who can look at it and make a decision … not in accordance with some pre-imposed paradigm about gradings," he said.

"I would prefer a system where you've got experienced people, both in terms of the law and adjudicating decisions and in football, who simply look at a case on its merits."

After a flurry of punches escaped suspension early in the season, the AFL announced a crackdown on intentional strikes following round nine, with the League warning players if they "take the action of punching a player they do so at their own risk now … we won't tolerate it".

There were no changes to the MRP's guidelines, but the bar was lowered when grading impact, causing unrest among clubs and players.

"We need to have a conversation because it’s an issue. There’s a view the penalty doesn’t necessarily fit the crime," AFLPA boss Paul Marsh told the News Corp.

"Whether it’s been an over-correction, however you want to put it, we have had a conversation about it.

"We’ve also started a discussion about how difficult it is to appeal a decision.

"In a number of cases, players have felt quite strongly they should appeal."

Marsh acknowledged Redpath's three-match suspension was the result of a bad record and his decision to challenge, but said: "I don’t think that sits comfortably with anyone".

"We’re combining two issues. Are we going over the top with jumper punches? (And) the disincentive to appeal because of that extra week is something we need to have a conversation about."
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[Bornadog]

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Bad year with MRP:

1. Cloke, 3 broken ribs incurred well after he kicked the ball, Ziebell only intention was to smash him

2. Wood - slaps McGovern on the back with open hand, and Crows Doctor claims bruised ribs, 3rd strike - i week ban

3. Greene kicks Dhal in face, Dahl stitches and stapled mouth - charge changed from rough play to misconduct - joke

4. Redpath pushes player with open hand and gets booked.

Conclusion - AFL has no idea. Knee jerk reaction once more to things like jumper punch.

[Bornadog]

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Chris Scott, Nathan Buckley believe changes to MRP needed in off-season

AFL coaches Chris Scott and Nathan Buckley have forecast “interesting discussions” around the match review panel come season’s end.

The high-profile coaches added their concerns over the MRP’s consistency in handing out sanctions in the wake of Jack Redpath’s three-match ban and Ollie Wines’ fine for a head-high bump and Toby Greene’s “fly-kick”.

Buckley will be without ruckman Brodie Grundy this weekend as he serves the final week of his suspension for a tackle on Ben Brown that earned him a two-week ban but said the system “doesn’t seem to be consistent”.

“Potentially we need to be careful what we wish for, because I’m not so sure that we’re seeing adequate or commensurate penalties for the right actions,” he said.

“(Grundy’s suspension) was cut and dry – the rules are written and that’s exactly how it needed to be and should have been with the two-week penalty. We were not surprised by that at all, and you can’t challenge it because the way the rules are written, it’s really clear that there’s no challenge against that.

“I think that there will be a few interesting discussions with the clubs and the league around where the game is going, and how we can take away some of the acts that we don’t want to see in the game but not be heavy-handed with some of those penalties as well. Some of them don’t add up to me.”

Scott delivered similar sentiments after losing Tom Hawkins and Mitch Duncan for two weeks and one week respectively.

The premiership coach said the aim should be to make the system better.

“I don’t know how anyone could possibly try to defend the position that we’re in,” he said.

“Mark Evans and his team did a fantastic job of changing the system so we didn’t get good players rubbed out for innocuous incidents. A jumper push to the throat (like Jake Redpath) is innocuous. It doesn’t get much more innocuous.

“Now we’ve got guys getting three weeks ... I don’t think anyone could argue that’s not strange at the very least.

“We had the really strange situation with Toby Green, the MRP seemed to say ‘no, you’ve transgressed, you’ve done something wrong but we’re only going to give you a fine’. He kicked a guy in the face, sent him off with the blood rule. We’ve got another guy who pushed a guy in the throat and gets three. Clearly there is room to move in the MRP.”

Scott hinted at the danger of changing the approach to jumper punches mid-year after the Tom Hawkins ban for his jumper punch on Matt Crouch in Round 11, saying: “I suspect it will go 180 degrees.”

“I understand that things get a bit out of control and they need to pull them back a little bit but if you keep chopping and changing like this ... I almost guarantee that in three months we’ll be in this position,” he said at the time.

Earlier, Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon called for an overhaul of the MRP.

In the wake of Redpath’s ban, Gordon said the Bulldogs would send their grievances about the current system to the AFL at the end of the season.

“I would prefer a system where you’ve got experienced people ... who simply look at a case on its merits because no degree of intent is ever 100 per cent the same with another and no degree of impact is ever the same,” Gordon told SEN Breakfast.

“It’s very rare that you get any event that’s reportable that’s precisely on par with another one.

“What I think we need is judicial officers with common sense and experience in football who can look at it and make a decision based generally on the facts and not in accordance with some pre-imposed paradigm about gradings of intent and gradings of impact.”

[Doc26]

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I'm not a Chis Scott fan but it's great to read above that we have one prominent coach in our corner with what has become an utter farce, a situation which should be viewed as an embarrassment for those head honchos running the show.

[Topdog]

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We had the really strange situation with Toby Green, the MRP seemed to say ‘no, you’ve transgressed, you’ve done something wrong but we’re only going to give you a fine’. He kicked a guy in the face, sent him off with the blood rule. We’ve got another guy who pushed a guy in the throat and gets three.


That just needs to be repeated

[azabob]

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Even old mates Damo Barrett and Hutchy reckon the Greene incident was managed to ensure he wouldn't be suspended.

[bulldogtragic]

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Tex Walker copied Redders. I wonder if he gets offered two weeks?

Zak Jones should get two or three.

[Bornadog]

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Round 22

Charges Laid:
Tom Jonas, Port Adelaide, has been charged with engaging in rough conduct against Luke Dahlhaus, Western Bulldogs, during the third quarter of the Round 22 match between Port Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs, played at Mars Stadium on Saturday August 19, 2017.
In summary, due to a previous poor record, his two-match sanction is increased by one further game to three matches and he can accept a two-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Western Bulldogs Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional contact with low impact to the head. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. A poor record over the last two seasons increases the penalty by one-game to a three-match sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a two-match sanction.

Jack Redden, West Coast, has been charged with engaging in rough conduct against Josh Kelly, GWS Giants, during the fourth quarter of the Round 22 match between West Coast and the GWS Giants, played at Spotless Stadium on Saturday August 19, 2017.
In summary he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence and a medical report from the GWS Giants, the incident was classified as careless conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has no applicable record which affects the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.

James Sicily, Hawthorn, has been charged with striking Jed Lamb, Carlton, during the third quarter of the Round 22 match Hawthorn and Carlton, played at Etihad Stadium on Saturday August 19, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Carlton Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with low impact to the body. The incident was classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has a no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.

Dale Thomas, Carlton, has been charged with misconduct against Isaac Smith, Hawthorn, during the fourth quarter of the Round 22 match between Carlton and Hawthorn, played at Etihad Stadium on Saturday August 19, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for misconduct is classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.

Bernie Vince, Melbourne, has been charged with striking Dayne Beams, Brisbane Lions, during the second quarter of the Round 22 match between Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions, played at the MCG on Sunday August 20, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1500 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Brisbane lions Football Club, the incident was assessed as careless conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was a second classifiable offence this season and classified as a $2500 sanction. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1500 sanction.

Jake Melksham, Melbourne, has been charged with misconduct for pushing an opponent into the umpire during the fourth quarter of the Round 22 match between Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions, played at the MCG on Sunday August 20, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a $1000 sanction with an early plea.
A first offence for misconduct is classified as a $1500 sanction. The player has no applicable record which impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a $1000 sanction.

Sean Darcy, Fremantle, has been charged with striking Nick Vlastuin, Richmond, during the second quarter of the Round 22 match between Fremantle and Richmond, played at Domain Stadium on Sunday August 20, 2017.
In summary, he can accept a one-match sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available video evidence and a medical report from the Richmond Football Club, the incident was assessed as intentional conduct with low impact to the head. The incident was classified as a two-match sanction. The player has no applicable record with impacts the penalty. An early plea enables the player to accept a one-match sanction.

Other incidents assessed
The match day report laid against the Sydney Swans’ Zak Jones for charging the Adelaide Crows’ Brad Crouch was assessed. The ball was kicked towards Crouch with Jones coming towards the contest. As Crouch marked the ball, Jones made body contact with his opponent. A free kick was paid at the time and Crouch immediately got to his feet to take his kick. It was the view of the panel there was not sufficient impact in the contact to constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken.
The match day report laid against St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle for striking North Melbourne’s Luke McDonald at the quarter break was assessed. Contact was made with an open hand to the chest. It was the view of the panel the impact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence with no further action taken.

The match day report laid against St Kilda’s Jake Carlisle for striking North Melbourne’s Declan Mountford at the quarter break was assessed. Contact was made with a double-hand push to the chest with both hands open. It was the view of the panel the impact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence with no further action taken.

[Bornadog]

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Carlisle gets off, he only used an open hand

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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So I guess the MRP just don't like Jack

[Hotdog60]

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Could we asked the panel to explain what the difference was between Redpath and Carlisle.
In the video the only difference was plastic bends easier in the wind.