MRP thread 2017

[Bornadog]

Re: MRP thread 2017

Danger unlucky really, if Kreuzer was OK and played on he may have gotten away with it

I would prefer he did than see Dustin Martin with a brownlow medal

Danger should have let go and not driven Kruezer into the ground. With arms pinned he has a due of care not to injure a player. Just let go if you are falling but he continued to hold his arms back till he drove him into the turf. What would happened if a player ends up with brain damage. As far as I am concerned a dirty act and deserves being suspended.

Like Doc26, I hate rule changes, however if it involves protecting players from major injury, then let's protect them.

[boydogs]

Re: MRP thread 2017

Danger should have let go and not driven Kruezer into the ground. With arms pinned he has a due of care not to injure a player. Just let go if you are falling but he continued to hold his arms back till he drove him into the turf. What would happened if a player ends up with brain damage. As far as I am concerned a dirty act and deserves being suspended.

Like Doc26, I hate rule changes, however if it involves protecting players from major injury, then let's protect them.

It's well established now that pinning the arms and tackling to the ground is not on. Not the first time a player has been suspended for it, I don't see why a rule change is required. It was on the lower end in severity though, didn't slam him into the ground as hard as others have in the past, could have gone either way with the MRP and the impact on the player not returning to the field probably counted against him

[bulldogtragic]

Re: MRP thread 2017

If we were talking about Jack Fitzpatrick getting a week for this incident I doubt we'd be talking about it. Taking the big name away from it, it's to me a pretty clear case of a week suspension. He should take his medicine and move on and let the Geelong cheer leaders in the media throw hissy fits, eh Lingy?

[soupman]

Re: MRP thread 2017

I'd prefer the conversation be started about abolishing from the game this current day approach of pinning / holding the arms of the player with the ball in the first instance. Whilst I totally get its effectiveness in limiting the player with the ball's ability to dispose of it effectively, the approach is always an accident waiting to happen whilst not giving enough reward to the player who is making the play to find the best option.

This tackling approach has only crept into our game as the importance and effectiveness of handball, with super quick ball movement, has grown in more recent times. The approach discourages the ball winner and places far too much reward on the tackler.

Whilst I'm not a supporter of incessant rule changes, this action has become a blight on our game and I say it's time to get rid of it.

And how do you propose this rule is enforced?

Nearly every holding the ball tackle involves pinning an arm or both arms. Players now are too good at getting the ball out either by keeping their arms free and handballing (think Bont every time he is tackled) or getting it to their foot (think Suckling every time he is tackled). What you are proposing is essentially holding the ball disappearing, as players will always be able to get rid of it if their arms are free.

Also could you imagine a) how much harder the umpires job would be, b) the outrage from supporters when tackled don't get rewarded but rather get punished.

Besides it is only an accident waiting to happen when the tackler drives them into the ground. This is the action that the AFL is trying to change, and this is what Dangerfield is being punished for.

[Doc26]

Re: MRP thread 2017

And how do you propose this rule is enforced?

Nearly every holding the ball tackle involves pinning an arm or both arms.

This action didn't exist 5+ years ago. Coaches have brought this action in in recent times due to its effectiveness of defending the way the game is played today.

What you are proposing is essentially holding the ball disappearing, as players will always be able to get rid of it if their arms are free

No I'm not. What I am proposing is that the ball player still has an opportunity to dispose of the ball by hand or by foot. If they fail to do so in adequate time whilst in the motion of being tackled then its holding the ball as it has always been. This is how holding the ball was adjudicated before it was encouraged/coached that the tackler now pin or restrict the ball player's arms due to its effectiveness in combating today's game.

Also could you imagine a) how much harder the umpires job would be, b) the outrage from supporters when tackled don't get rewarded but rather get punished.

Like how its been for over 100 years? Subjectivity exists across the majority of the games rules, whether its hands in the back to deliberate out of bounds. Outrage exists today because prior opportunity for the ball player barely exists. Why is it now so bad for the ball player to be given time to dispose of the ball by hand whilst in the motion of being tackled?

You may be more keen on ensuring the tackler is not punished whereas I tend to sit on the other side of the ledger where I would prefer the ball player to be given every opportunity to dispose of the ball, by hand or by foot, before being ruled as holding the ball. As it once was.

Besides it is only an accident waiting to happen when the tackler drives them into the ground. This is the action that the AFL is trying to change, and this is what Dangerfield is being punished for.

I disagree. Whilst pinning the arms and driving a player into the turf brings quite high risk of brain injury, the game should not be permitting an action leading to a situation where a player cannot protect himself with his arms and hands that might result in brain trauma, dislocation, break or fracture etc etc.

[Bornadog]

Re: MRP thread 2017

He'll take it to the tribunal and get off.

I bet he doesn't challenge it. Apparently consulting with QC tonight, but the rules will be against him

Geelong has accepted the MRP finding.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: MRP thread 2017

Geelong has accepted the MRP finding.

Queue the Geelong fan boys and girls screaming in tears.

[Bornadog]

Re: MRP thread 2017

The Tribunal will sit at 5.30pm tonight with Luke Hodge to contest his striking charge. All other charges from the MRP have been accepted.

Luke is contesting a similar charge that Wood was up for and has got him the three strikes. We had no choice due to the rogue doctor at Adelaide, so Hodge will probably get off.

[Sedat]

Re: MRP thread 2017

Queue the Geelong fan boys and girls screaming in tears.

This has put the cherry on top of an exquisite weekend cake

[Rocket Science]

Re: MRP thread 2017

This has put the cherry on top of an exquisite weekend cake

I'll have another helping please and thank you ...

[jeemak]

Re: MRP thread 2017

I was taught to pin the arms in tackles from my Vic Kick days in the mid eighties - players always have been. It's just this era's players have mastered the technique, the game is quicker and with firm grounds the consequences of players having their arms pinned at pace are higher.

Perhaps something needs to be done about it, sure, but it's not a new strategy.

[Bornadog]

Re: MRP thread 2017

I was taught to pin the arms in tackles from my Vic Kick days in the mid eighties - players always have been. It's just this era's players have mastered the technique, the game is quicker and with firm grounds the consequences of players having their arms pinned at pace are higher.

Perhaps something needs to be done about it, sure, but it's not a new strategy.

What I don't recall is the way the tackler throws the player on the ground. I don't remember that in the past, and with arms pined it is bloody dangerous.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: MRP thread 2017

The issue is the player being taken forcefully to ground.

There are 2 solutions available.

1. Ban the tackle that pins arms taking an opponent to the ground

and/or

2. Pay an immediate free for the tackle that pins the arms, rewarding what could be a perfect tackle, provided the player is not taken forcefully to ground.

Personally, I see an overdoing of the prior opportunity as part of the problem. The player taking possession has a duty to dispose of the ball and should be penalised unless he makes a GENUINE and IMMEDIATE attempt to do so. If he tries to break the tackle he needs to dispose of the ball correctly.

Too many stoppages are created because players simply take the tackle and hold the ball, which also causes the tackler to make an additional action to get the umpire to blow the whistle.

[Rocket Science]

Re: MRP thread 2017

Like the impending Hird-Norm Smith moment, the AFEL have inadvertently engineered another doozie with the Dangerfield suspension because as last year's winner he'll be presenting the 2017 brownlow which'll be interesting if he polls the most votes.

Awks.

[Remi Moses]

Re: MRP thread 2017

I see " Steel arm" top bloke Hodgey's one week is intact .
What a steaming pile of you know what, that defence was .