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  • NAUGHTY100
    Draftee
    • Dec 2024
    • 545

    Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
    If we have huge $$$ to throw at one marquee player, who would you prefer we throw it at? Wilkie or Butters?

    For me, Butters is the better player and younger. But Wilkie fills a glaring hole. I'd still lean to Butters. We don't have a lot of midfield depth and it needs a shake-up.
    Could we not do both ? .
    Butters is the year after im told but who knows in this football world , funnier things have happened .
    Dreaming sure but if we did manage to get both Butters and Wilkie over the line how good would that set us up for the next 3 or 4 years , yes please .

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    • Pleather Sole
      Rookie List
      • Jan 2024
      • 437

      Originally posted by GVGjr
      I like Wilkie as a player and he can be matched against a range of opponents.
      I get the sense that while we would like to add him we also realise that this is a long shot.
      Effectively we are running up the Saints to offer him an improved deal.
      I think we need someone like Wilkie more than we need someone like Jack Silvagni. It seems impossible but if there is a tiny percentage chance then its worth the effort and the brinksmanship.

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      • bulldogsthru&thru
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • May 2011
        • 7891

        Originally posted by NAUGHTY100

        Could we not do both ? .
        Butters is the year after im told but who knows in this football world , funnier things have happened .
        Dreaming sure but if we did manage to get both Butters and Wilkie over the line how good would that set us up for the next 3 or 4 years , yes please .
        I'm not saying we can't. But IF only 1 could be fit, which would you prefer?

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        • doggies ftw
          Draftee
          • Dec 2013
          • 844

          Originally posted by Aidan7557
          Don't really want Wilkie. We need a big stopper and I just don't see that at all with Wilkie who is an interceptor albeit an All Australian caliber one. We clearly are having a crack which is good but I really hope we get a true key defender not another 1 or 2 2nd or 3rd talls like we already have.
          Cmon man, no offence but in what world is Wilkie an interceptor? Hes genuinely one of the best defenders in the comp, takes the most dangerous fwd, close to the best one on one defender in the comp. AA FB.

          You’re not interested in that? I really don’t know what people are expecting to fall out of the trees lmao, Wilkie is absolutely top of the line in our biggest position of need, I’d kill our draft hand & use the rest of the salary cap in a heartbeat.

          ive read so many comments like “he’s already 30”, “cost too much” - like are we actually in the business of winning premierships or are we just here to exist? I’m sure Hawks are spewing Lake was in his 30s when they picked him up and won 3 flags

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          • Aidan7557
            Rookie List
            • Jan 2025
            • 180

            Originally posted by doggies ftw

            Cmon man, no offence but in what world is Wilkie an interceptor? Hes genuinely one of the best defenders in the comp, takes the most dangerous fwd, close to the best one on one defender in the comp. AA FB.

            You’re not interested in that? I really don’t know what people are expecting to fall out of the trees lmao, Wilkie is absolutely top of the line in our biggest position of need, I’d kill our draft hand & use the rest of the salary cap in a heartbeat.

            ive read so many comments like “he’s already 30”, “cost too much” - like are we actually in the business of winning premierships or are we just here to exist? I’m sure Hawks are spewing Lake was in his 30s when they picked him up and won 3 flags
            Wilkie is a very good player but I just would prefer we get a true key back who is a bit bigger and stronger. Key forwards were the big issue this year and I still think Lobb and O'donnell as 2 and 3 key backs can do well enough. Getting a stopper in should help Lobb get back to his intercepting best. Just me but I would prefer Jordan Butts over Wilkie purely based on our needs and he would be much cheaper in trade and contract. By the way I think Wilkie is using us to get more money anyway.

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            • doggies ftw
              Draftee
              • Dec 2013
              • 844

              Originally posted by Aidan7557

              Wilkie is a very good player but I just would prefer we get a true key back who is a bit bigger and stronger. Key forwards were the big issue this year and I still think Lobb and O'donnell as 2 and 3 key backs can do well enough. Getting a stopper in should help Lobb get back to his intercepting best. Just me but I would prefer Jordan Butts over Wilkie purely based on our needs and he would be much cheaper in trade and contract. By the way I think Wilkie is using us to get more money anyway.
              Wilkie is a true key back, he’s probably a top 3 stopper in the league, plays deepest defence - he literally is the prototype anchor type we need.

              I like Butts too, but one is a proven AA FB who has consistently beaten the best forwards in the comp over several years, and one isn’t even in his starting 22 and has shown nothing beside some potential. Not even remotely comparable.

              I don’t disagree it’s a tough ask to get him out of the Saints but there’s probably no better fit in the comp for what we need

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              • Uninformed
                Draftee
                • Jan 2023
                • 883

                Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru

                I'm not saying we can't. But IF only 1 could be fit, which would you prefer?
                Butters for me, but Wilkie would be a great get, if a bit unlikely.

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 67207

                  Originally posted by Uninformed

                  Butters for me, but Wilkie would be a great get, if a bit unlikely.
                  Yes Butter for me too
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                  • doggies ftw
                    Draftee
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 844

                    I don’t think it’s one or the other, we obviously have an offer on the table for Butters still too and had one for Silvagni. I think it’s underestimated how much cap space we do have with Marra off the books.

                    im excited for the offseason, we’re clearly being active - Sam Power doesn’t work in the media, he works in the shadows hence we’re not flaunting the cap space like the Aints (although I suspect this was clearly his management leaking the offer)

                    Couple of other things of note is we haven’t offered Treloar a deal yet, which indicates we’re waiting to see what happens ie if you get a Butters then realistically you probably tell Treloar we would happily let him walk for a better deal somewhere (as sad as it would be)

                    Macrae, Baz, Daniel, Marra and even if he stays a minor deal for Treloar. We are stacked with cash - we wouldn’t be offering Wilkie 1.1 if it was affecting our contract we still have on the table for Butters. Sounds like Butters will be next year though

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                    • GVGjr
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 44941

                      Originally posted by Bornadog

                      Yes Butter for me too
                      Most of us would know Butters is a better player etc but it's going to come with a hefty price tag as well.
                      You previously mentioned you don't rate Wilkie, is there any reason for that?
                      He was vying for AA consideration and hasn't lost his pace or athleticism.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 67207

                        Originally posted by GVGjr

                        Most of us would know Butters is a better player etc but it's going to come with a hefty price tag as well.
                        You previously mentioned you don't rate Wilkie, is there any reason for that?
                        He was vying for AA consideration and hasn't lost his pace or athleticism.
                        I didn't say I didn't rate him, I said he is not a KPP that can handle the gorilla forwards. He is an excellent backman and as another poster said, Lobb can take on the gorillas like Ben King.
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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13305

                          Originally posted by bulldogsthru&thru
                          If we have huge $$$ to throw at one marquee player, who would you prefer we throw it at? Wilkie or Butters?

                          For me, Butters is the better player and younger. But Wilkie fills a glaring hole. I'd still lean to Butters. We don't have a lot of midfield depth and it needs a shake-up.
                          Just get Butts in and then bank roll Butters.
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • Uninformed
                            Draftee
                            • Jan 2023
                            • 883

                            Originally posted by Bornadog

                            I didn't say I didn't rate him, I said he is not a KPP that can handle the gorilla forwards. He is an excellent backman and as another poster said, Lobb can take on the gorillas like Ben King.
                            Wilkie seems more a Dale Morris type. I think this is what we need. Lobb's got another year and JOD is improving. Wilkie helping them out should be enough to tighten up our defence. Throw in a Vlaustin type and we are there for next year. (With or without Butters)

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                            • GVGjr
                              Moderator
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 44941

                              Originally posted by Bornadog

                              I didn't say I didn't rate him, I said he is not a KPP that can handle the gorilla forwards. He is an excellent backman and as another poster said, Lobb can take on the gorillas like Ben King.
                              You're somewhat right, you said

                              Originally posted by Bornadog

                              Wilkie is a no from me unless we are thinking 3rd tall in the backline. I have not been impressed with him, for starters he is too short to play on the gorillas.
                              What has he done or hasn't done that has not impressed you? You've now gone with an excellent rating which is a bit of a contrast.
                              I get your doubts on his ability to pay consistently on the comps best key forwards.

                              It's doubtful we can get a deal done for him but I do feel the club would be happy enough to get him as a 3rd tall defender pinch hitting at times.
                              He ticks a lot of boxes, durable, leadership skills and he can play on a range of opponents. We have Lobb, JOD and maybe Buss in time to play on the bigger boys
                              For some reason I'm just not seeing what you are in your original comments..
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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 67207

                                Originally posted by GVGjr

                                You're somewhat right, you said



                                What has he done or hasn't done that has not impressed you? You've now gone with an excellent rating which is a bit of a contrast.
                                I get your doubts on his ability to pay consistently on the comps best key forwards.

                                It's doubtful we can get a deal done for him but I do feel the club would be happy enough to get him as a 3rd tall defender pinch hitting at times.
                                He ticks a lot of boxes, durable, leadership skills and he can play on a range of opponents. We have Lobb, JOD and maybe Buss in time to play on the bigger boys
                                For some reason I'm just not seeing what you are in your original comments..
                                He was being talked up as a Keyback which I don't believe he is and is a role we really need. As I said "unless we are thinking 3rd tall in the backline" .

                                Can Buss or JOD eventually be the Key Back - both are around 198cm and can play tall. What I have seen of Wilkie he struggles against the Ben King types, but I concede he would give us good experience in the backline - something liek a Lever.
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