Hawthorn racism review

[dog town]

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Is it a really bad sign for Clarkson/Fagan that aspects of the report (damning aspects) are being leaked to the media? Would suggest someone is trying to keep the narrative heading a certain way? Barrett comes out the same day and says don’t expect them to be coaching round 1.

[Rocket Science]

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It really shows he's as dull as a box of hammers.

That's being extremely diplomatic.

You wonder how some of his pending First Nations teammates might feel reading that about now.

Not least of all given the twisted irony in Dunkley exercising his privilege to walk away from his team so he can be nearer to family while prematurely exonerating a bloke who’s been implicated in tearing other families apart.

Hey Josh, maybe run your self serving brain burps past your stylist or y’know literally ANYONE first before pronouncing case closed.

FMD.

[jeemak]

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That's being extremely diplomatic.

You wonder how some of his pending First Nations teammates might feel reading that about now.

Not least of all given the twisted irony in Dunkley exercising his privilege to walk away from his team so he can be nearer to family while prematurely exonerating a bloke who’s been implicated in tearing other families apart.

Hey Josh, maybe run your self serving brain burps past your stylist or y’know literally ANYONE first before pronouncing case closed.

FMD.

It's what I'm known for.

[bulldogtragic]

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Mark Robinson has just put up online a series of emails between Hawthorn (Andrew Newbold, now AFL Commissioner and Jason Burt cc'd) and a player's partner. Contemporaneous evidence some might call it.

I can't link it.

It's getting bigger and bigger...

[bulldogtragic]

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Story without full emails:


A Hawthorn player’s partner claimed that he had been pressured to leave the home they shared, in a desperate email to then-President Andrew Newbold, but her pleas for help were dismissed, according to the club’s explosive racism Review.

But Newbold – now an AFL commissioner – says he never saw the emails and definitely had not responded to them, though could not rule out someone else in the club having done so on his behalf.

Asked on Tuesday night by the Herald Sun about the alleged exchange, Newbold said: “I did not author that email.

“I want to refute that absolutely. It’s not my language I would use.”

According to the Hawthorn-commissioned review of the club’s handling of Indigenous players and their families between 2010 and 2016, the woman wrote in an email to Newbold that at seven weeks pregnant, senior Hawks trio Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt had come to their home and removed the player with only a few belongings.

They also changed his phone number so his “trapped” partner could not contact him, she claimed in the email.

She approached Victoria Police in the wake of the incident when she could not contact her partner, but officers were unable to contact any Hawthorn staff members, she alleged to Newbold.

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The player’s partner went on to tell the then-club president in another email that she was experiencing “severe anxiety attacks”, “vomiting blood” and “can’t see the light anymore”, amid her stress over the situation.

An email identified in the report as being from Newbold responded that it was “not appropriate” that he become involved.

“I have spoken to Jason who is familiar with the facts as I am not,” the report detailed Newbold as writing on Monday, March 25, 2013.

“Your issues are really beyond my scope of expertise and influence. I’m sorry but it is not really appropriate that I become involved.”

Newbold last week took a leave of absence from his position on the AFL commission, as the league launched an independent investigation into the treatment of First Nations players at Hawthorn.

Emails contained in the Cultural Safety Review – commissioned earlier this year – show that woman wrote, in more than 2500 words, to Newbold that club figures had questioned the pair’s engagement, and that “they are going to remove him from the situation”.

“I think the way this has been handled is so disgraceful. How could any person with a heart think that it would be okay to do this to any person, let alone someone who is 7 weeks pregnant,” she wrote to the president.

“I feel like me and this baby have been treated with such disrespect and ruthlessness by the club.

“I would hate to think that as the man in charge of a club who proudly recognizes themselves as a family club that you would find this situation and their behaviour acceptable.”

The emails in the report begin on March 21, 2013 and are labelled in the subject line as being in relation to “welfare” and “Urgent!”.

In one she claimed that despite being with the player since the pair were both 13, the club forced their separation and left him “quite distressed and upset” by questioning their engagement.

Their separation allegedly came just days before their planned engagement party that almost 100 people had been set to attend.

“(The player) stood by the door in a state I’d never seen him in, he looked dead inside,” the player’s partner reportedly wrote to Newbold on March 21, 2013 in detailing their separation.

“It was at that point I became severely concerned for his wellbeing and emotional state.”

She said that her doctor had noted the potential effects on the unborn baby and the fact that she had lost 7kg “because of the distress”.

The emails appear to show that Newbold offered to meet the player’s partner at the club but she did not feel comfortable and stated her wish to meet off-site.

On Friday, March 22, she emailed Newbold again, saying that she had met with an AFLPA psychologist, and that she was “still really keen to catch up”.

She wrote a further email on Monday, March 25, 2013, detailing her declining mental state.

“I have nobody to turn to for answers and I’m not sure what to do,” the player’s partner wrote.

“I feel like I’m in such a helpless situation and can’t see the light anymore.

“I’ve turned in every direction for help but I have no avenues to take. I don’t know what more I can do, I’m falling apart and just feel like I can’t keep going anymore.

“I need to have answers as to what to do and I don’t know where to turn to get those answers anymore.”

[bulldogtragic]

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Dozens of witnesses. Including players, families, coach/es.
AFLPA records.
Police records.
Email records.
All in one report.


Proof absolute these aren't anonymous people, and claims which can't be substantiated with contemporaneous evidence. Looks like Robbo is going to drip feed this story (excerpts from the actual report) in a 'death by a thousand cuts'.

[EasternWest]

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Dozens of witnesses. Including players, families, coach/es.
AFLPA records.
Police records.
Email records.
All in one report.


Proof absolute these aren't anonymous people, and claims which can't be substantiated with contemporaneous evidence. Looks like Robbo is going to drip feed this story (excerpts from the actual report) in a 'death by a thousand cuts'.

Now wait a second wait a second, I think we should just wait before we start virtue signalling about whether any of this actually happened.

[bulldogtragic]

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Now wait a second wait a second, I think we should just wait before we start virtue signalling about whether any of this actually happened.

You’re just virtue signaling about virtue signaling. You virtue signaller.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Wow.
I'd like to say thanks to Josh Dunkley for making his departure that much more palatable for me.. In what should've been an otherwise a simple leave outside off to the keeper when asked about the Fagan dilemma, he's had a big waft at it and in one stroke revealed what a complete self-absorbed nothingburger he is... to not be able to read the lay of the football landscape right now and , if incapable of showing or verbalising some empathy, at least display some awareness and shut the hell up...

What a flog. Seeya

[Grantysghost]

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Now wait a second wait a second, I think we should just wait before we start virtue signalling about whether any of this actually happened.

They're really playing the long game, saying they're losing their minds in 2013 over a partial kidnapping and only releasing them 9 years later.

Well played by those involved.

[EasternWest]

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You’re just virtue signaling about virtue signaling. You virtue signaller.

Sounds like something someone woke might say.

They're really playing the long game, saying they're losing their minds in 2013 over a partial kidnapping and only releasing them 9 years later.

Well played by those involved.

Feels weird even making any humourous kind of commentary around this, it's just so hard to wrap my head around.

[Grantysghost]

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Sounds like something someone woke might say.



Feels weird even making any humourous kind of commentary around this, it's just so hard to wrap my head around.

It is very difficult to understand.

[bulldogtragic]

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Sounds like something someone woke might say.



Feels weird even making any humourous kind of commentary around this, it's just so hard to wrap my head around.

It’s hard to reconcile the comments in ‘the day’ about Hawthorn being a ruthless club that would do anything to win…

You wouldn’t think in 2013 caveats like ‘anything to win but no forced taking of humans, pressure to abort pregnancies or destroy lives’ would’ve been needed. But apparently they were. If the price of a dynasty means the destruction of souls and a clubs soul (by extension it’s members souls) then I’ll take 2016 and be content to look in the mirror and be happy to see the reflection. Honestly, it’s a game with a ball where lots of money is involved.

Like Gloria says in White Men Can’t Jump, about being desperate to win. “Sometimes when you win, you really lose.”

[Bornadog]

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These blokes should never be allowed to work in any sporting organisation again. The sooner the better for all. This violates human rights. Unbelievable stuff.

Sounds like Robbo has a copy of the full report.

[GVGjr]

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These blokes should never be allowed to work in any sporting organisation again. The sooner the better for all. This violates human rights. Unbelievable stuff.

Sounds like Robbo has a copy of the full report.

I've read through the emails in the article. It doesn't reflect well on the club.