Talking trades

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Hall chose the Dogs the year previous, when he did have options, only to have Roos stop the deal.

That is indeed true

[Remi Moses]

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Does having a gun pointed at your head count
One Jade Rawlings

[Hotdog60]

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Does having a gun pointed at your head count
One Jade Rawlings

One would have to question a players head space if he was somewhere he didn't want to be. Sure they would play football but is their heart in it.

I would never bother with a player if he stated he didn't want to be at your club, I would focus our energy on some one who did.

[chef]

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Neither had many other options though

Carlton were also after Hall and Essendon were after Aker.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Carlton were also after Hall and Essendon were after Aker.

Yes, the story goes that Sheedy asked Aker why he'd want to join that "shit club", referring to us.

[1eyedog]

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How can you compare 20 years ago to today?

For what is worth didn't we delist the Hawk and he was drafted by Fitzroy?

Oh I'm not really comparing I'm just noting a historical trajectory from my point of view. I was a young broken hearted kid when these guys left. Just feels like no one of the Dempsey, Quinlan calibre have ever come to our club just prior to them coming into their prime. Other clubs always seem to do better from our outs. (other than perhaps Richmond with Judas et al). Yes we delisted Hawk, even worse IMO, shameful really.

Akermanis and Hall. Pretty big fish who CHOSE the dogs.

It's something.........

Both at the very ends of their careers, Hall was good for us no doubt and Aker was serviceable but it was really a short term leg up. It's different.

[1eyedog]

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Carlton were also after Hall and Essendon were after Aker.

Carlton were after Hall but they opted out after they were advised against it by Stone. It was a one horse race when it came time for Hall to chose allegiances. Hall was left with one option, probably his preferred considering Eade was at the club.

[KT31]

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Carlton were after Hall but they opted out after they were advised against it by Stone. It was a one horse race when it came time for Hall to chose allegiances. Hall was left with one option, probably his preferred considering Eade was at the club.

He was also a Footscray supporter growing up.

[The Underdog]

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Yes, the story goes that Sheedy asked Aker why he'd want to join that "shit club", referring to us.

Words can't express my hatred of Sheedy.

[Mofra]

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But it has never been right for us has it? on the contrary we trade out all our big fish rather than lure them. Even though some of them didn't want to stay we still traded Templeton, Dempsey, Round and Quinlan, shite, we even traded Hawkins in the end.

There would be times when it is right for us - I just don't believe that time is now.

[Greystache]

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Yes, the story goes that Sheedy asked Aker why he'd want to join that "shit club", referring to us.

Sheedy then probably blamed the umpires for Akermanis knocking back Essendon.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Akermanis and Hall. Pretty big fish who CHOSE the dogs.

It's something.........

Pretty big fish who were at the tail end of their careers and who both came with significant risks attached.
When is the last time we've attracted a big name to our club who is under 30 or hasn't come with a sizeable risk attached? When have we ever?
We are delusional if we think we are a chance to snare a big name.
Best we can hope for is a yet to prove himself youngster, fringe, role or fading veteran type

[Maddog37]

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Pretty big fish who were at the tail end of their careers and who both came with significant risks attached.
When is the last time we've attracted a big name to our club who is under 30 or hasn't come with a sizeable risk attached? When have we ever?
We are delusional if we think we are a chance to snare a big name.
Best we can hope for is a yet to prove himself youngster, fringe, role or fading veteran type

You have a serious inferiority complex YHF. So much negativity in your posts of late.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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You have a serious inferiority complex YHF. So much negativity in your posts of late.

Not inferiority nor negativity, reality.
Just because I am not asking if we are a chance to land Tippett, or if we are going to go hard for Caddy or as per some earlier in the year, should we throw the bank at Cloke does not make me negative.

I am just acknowledging the reality, that we are for whatever reason not seen as a destination of choice for high profile players seeking to find a new club.
I don't like it one little bit mind you. It makes me sick to the stomach that even during our recent successful times that we are never seriously in the hunt for a marquee player. And that the only way in recent times we were able to secure someone of relative profile was due to skullduggery and manipulation - when we landed Rawlings.

It makes me frustrated that a Mitch Clark would choose a Melbourne over us, or that whenever a decent player in his prime is looking for a new club, we are NEVER that player's club of choice.

I tell you what though it is getting a little worrying that if anything but the peachy keen positivity view point is presented here, people get shot down and personally accused of having an inferiority complex.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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When was the last time we were after one of these types, especially since Jade Rawlings scared us off that kind of quick fix?
For all their brovado and money who have Collingwood lured away in the modern era?
A very good but aging Ruckman and a slow mid on one leg, not exactly Buddy or Jono Brown. Yes they were both good players but Ball was on the fringes of St Kilda and Jolly was a star but only had a couple of years left in him as we are seeing now. How is that any different to what we normally get?

Jade Rawlings only serves to highlight my point. We were so desperate to land a big fish, that we had to resort to subterfuge to get one, because he didn't want to come willingly.

Have a look at any of the middle to top tier trades of the last decade, and ask yourself, who of them would we have like to have been able to attract and who would we have had any hope of attracting.

Forgetting the Chris Judd scenario which was unique, but of some others: Burgoyne would've been handy when he was leaving Port? Jeff White might've been handy when he left Freo? Brad Ottens might've been a decent acquisition? Mitch Clark?

Even if we were interested in any of these, we were no chance. Collingwood, if they were interested they could go after and get these types.

I'm not bemoaning it, I'm just acknowledging that this is the case.