Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

[Eastdog]

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and then it all goes underground.

That's where it will go unfortunately so you can't simply just ban it and everything will be alright.

[LongWait]

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I hope not as well. Though, I'm open to it happening.

Watching the news I couldn't help but think there's going to be a lot of people getting plumb jobs out of this whole thing. I kind of get the feeling the audience is being set up for another layer of regulation and control measures to deal with an issue that isn't as big as is being made out.

I suppose I'll await the detail, and form judgement based on that (a novel concept, I know).

The heavy involvement of Victoria University in our fitness and conditioning programs probably lessens the likelihood of club staff going off the reservation and getting too adventurous.

[Topdog]

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Yeah, your right.

ATM every second ad on TV during sport is a betting ad and odds are mentioned by commentators, can't be healthy for kids IMO. Also think mobile gambling is crazy. But maybe it's just me, not a fan of gambling.

The ads are way over the top. Mobile betting is great. Shame Australia cut it back so much. The silly rules around live event betting are painful.

[LostDoggy]

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How's the Australian Crime Commission? Strolling up to the press conference in formation, using lines like "we know more than you think" if you don't come forward we will find you"

I thought i was watching a movie for a second.

Anyway, this is massive. Will this get sorted before round 1? Time is running thin...

Nathan Brown has came out and said he was offered human growth hormones in 2005 after breaking he's leg..

We are seeing alot of players returning from injury alot quicker than exepcted lately.

[Bornadog]

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The heavy involvement of Victoria University in our fitness and conditioning programs probably lessens the likelihood of club staff going off the reservation and getting too adventurous.

Good article here from Carro: War on sports scientists

[Bulldog4life]

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I hope not as well. Though, I'm open to it happening.

Watching the news I couldn't help but think there's going to be a lot of people getting plumb jobs out of this whole thing. I kind of get the feeling the audience is being set up for another layer of regulation and control measures to deal with an issue that isn't as big as is being made out.

I suppose I'll await the detail, and form judgement based on that (a novel concept, I know).

I have been following it closely all day and I feel the opposite to you Jeemak. I think it will be huge.I may be corrected on this but it appears one of the problems holding criminal charges up is not all the phone tapping evidence is admissible evidence in court at this stage.

[Bornadog]

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I have been following it closely all day and I feel the opposite to you Jeemak. I think it will be huge.I may be corrected on this but it appears one of the problems holding criminal charges up is not all the phone tapping evidence is admissible evidence in court at this stage.

This is all getting embarrassing with BBC World news reporting on the widespread issues with performance enhancing drugs and criminal elements involved in Australian elite sports.

This in the Guardian: Australian doping inquiry finds illegal drugs rife in country's sport

[jeemak]

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I have been following it closely all day and I feel the opposite to you Jeemak. I think it will be huge.I may be corrected on this but it appears one of the problems holding criminal charges up is not all the phone tapping evidence is admissible evidence in court at this stage.

As I said I'll await further information before making a judgement, though as Jaytee has stated, it was an extremely scripted and staged event.

I'm prepared for it to be a shot across the bow of elite sports people to pull them into line, just as I'm prepared for it to be the scandal they've painted it as today.

If it's massive then so be it. Maybe it's about time the nation realised sport is just one aspect of society that lost its virtue a very long time ago, probably when it was completely commercialised and the dollar became more important than participation.

[Bulldog4life]

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This is all getting embarrassing with BBC World news reporting on the widespread issues with performance enhancing drugs and criminal elements involved in Australian elite sports.

This in the Guardian: Australian doping inquiry finds illegal drugs rife in country's sport

Oh for the good old days BAD......as I show my age.

[SonofScray]

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The news reports today, while quite explosive, didn't offer a great deal of detail. Starting to look more like a frenzy that will fizzle out for mine.

Its all being very carefully crafted, from the timing of the news, the way its being reported etc. Giving us nothing.

[Bulldog4life]

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The news reports today, while quite explosive, didn't offer a great deal of detail. Starting to look more like a frenzy that will fizzle out for mine.

Its all being very carefully crafted, from the timing of the news, the way its being reported etc. Giving us nothing.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2013-02-07/australia-reacts-to-doping-report/1085518

ABC sports analyst Gerard Whateley expects arrests, criminal charges and mandatory two year bans, to begin soon.


Don't think Gerard does.

[SonofScray]

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http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/int...report/1085518


ABC sports analyst Gerard Whateley expects arrests, criminal charges and mandatory two year bans, to begin soon.


Don't think Gerard does.

Wowee. Have a lot of respect for Whateley, thats want I want to hear in all honesty. Just get the details and consequences out there. Clearly the doping stuff is around the mark. They are being very careful with the match fixing comments. Mostly identifying the risks and correlations between it occurring in environments where PEDs are being accessed via crime syndicates.

[Dry Rot]

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Macca would be very happy he got the gig with us. Otherwise, he would have been handing out consent forms in 2012 at Essendon.

[Remi Moses]

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http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/int...report/1085518


ABC sports analyst Gerard Whateley expects arrests, criminal charges and mandatory two year bans, to begin soon.


Don't think Gerard does.

Lets hope there is something that comes out of this.
Sounded all sausage and no sizzle so far.
Can't work out why Fox footy didn't have a special edition with Gerard and Mark Robinson.

[Missing-Dog]

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Just like drugs. Maybe they should also be legalised and regulated.

Yes. Yes they should.

Good article here from Carro: War on sports scientists

I know the definition of each of those words individually but I can't comprehend that sentence...


As far as our involvement in this mess. I'm not ruling out specific players but I highly doubt we'd be involved in the sort of systematic cheating that is being alleged. This is not because we are better or more moral than Essendon (although we are) but mostly because as a club we know we couldn't survive if it was found out.