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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
At the moment this is nothing more than McCarthyism from the AFL and ASADA.
At the moment this is nothing more than McCarthyism from the AFL and ASADA.
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
To be fair the AFL kind of got dragged into this by Essendon owning up at the death, and the ACC as well as polititians glamourising their past twelve months work.
Whilst the AFL has been sitting on its hands and purely running a long winded denial campaign for a number of years, I'm pretty sure they'd prefer everything to have stayed just the way it was before last Tuesday, and then last Thursday.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
I'd disagree with this; I don't think they've run a denial campaign, I think it was never really thought of as an issue, with recreational drugs much more prominently covered and "campaigned against". The only serious PED claims I can remember before this were Aker's again Michael Braun, and that was oushed aside as ridiculousness (correct me if I'm wrong here).
What do you think of ASADA's "there's drug cheats, but we can't prove it, but there definitely is!" line of argument? Think its really unfair to all the players to be tarred with the same brush like that, it just puts everyone under suspicion.- I'm a visionary - Only here to confirm my biases -Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
What do you all think of the idea of full time integrity officers at each club?You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
Well said Remi. The fact is every club willl be looking carefully at the punishment handed out, if any.
What is deemed 'ok' will then have to be on the table at every club re performance improvement.
Do we want each club to be giving their players injections like this on a regular basis, regardless of the substance?You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
I'm really not sure what the BFD is with injecting supplements. If it helps performance (within the rules), and there's no risk to player health what's the problem?
I think players should be given the option to take a variety of supplements across a variety of methods.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
Can you give me an example of the type of injection you are talking about? That helps performance, is injected into the stomach, but is not illegal?You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
Mate I'm not talking about anything specific. If you can tell me there's no benefit in administering supplements of any sort (legal or not) via an injection, then cool.
Though if it is an effective means by which legal treatments can be administered I don't see what the big deal is. They're adults.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
Well they say they were vitamin injections. I'm no expert, but my Chinese doctor told me that taking vitamin supplements is just a poor replacement for proper diet.
If you take a bunch of vitamin C, the body just exits it anyway.
For all that bother of going to an external clinic, I am guessing it was something other than vitamin c.
There are lots of things that are' legal ' but not really in the spirit of the game.
if you think that it would be ok to have our players having regular off site visits for legal performance enhancing injections, then we just have different views about what competitive sport is about.You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
I thought the issue Remi had was with injecting needles into a young person. All I was saying is I don't have an issue with players being injected in their stomachs.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
Once again, I'd have no issue with it if there was player consent, no side-effects, complete disclosure and it was within the rules.
Just for the fun of it, explain to me what the issue would be of having players taking regular off-site visits to a clinic to undertake legal treatments? Is it that you just don't like needles?TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program
I'm a bit confused. You are talking about ' treatments' on one hand, but do you mean to treat a specific condition or rather a course of injections?
I think its a bit of a fantasy, the situation you described. A performance enhancing substance, legal, no side effects. If it were, then everyone would do it and it would be a level playing field again. So what's the point? It just takes away the players time from working on basic skills like kicking the bloody thing.
I have a problem with anything that takes away from the integrity and fairness of the game. Injecting young people with substances to get them over the line sends the wrong message to our community.
And in case you hadn't noticed, Essendon has had a woeful few seasons despite all the money thrown at their sports science department.You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― EpicurusComment
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