Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

[jeemak]

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Fair enough jeemak. Do you reckon though the media are making this bigger than it is.

It's probably like anything mate. Some truths, some half truths, some untruths etc. I did think the initial media coverage was ridiculous.

I think there's some people leaking some pretty serious information to Caroline Wilson, and like her or not she doesn't normally go this hard if there's not reasonable basis for doing so, particularly considering the consequences for all involved.

[GVGjr]

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Dossier reveals full drugs program at Essendon

If this is true I wonder if Demitriou has the balls to throw the book at them?

Mark Robinson has been running a campaign (almost daily) that distances Hird from direct responsibility which I think is a crock. I think the fall guys have already been identified and the main focus is to now make sure the Golden Boy isn't in the firing line.

With the way Hird knifed Knights before taking his job, the way that Thompson broke his contract at the Cats but ended up at the Bombers and they way this scandal has been managed to protect Hird at all cost I now don't trust this as anything other than an exercise of diverting the blame and making sure justice is seen to be done.

[lemmon]

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Mark Robinson has been running a campaign (almost daily) that distances Hird from direct responsibility which I think is a crock. I think the fall guys have already been identified and the main focus is to now make sure the Golden Boy isn't in the firing line.

With the way Hird knifed Knights before taking his job, the way that Thompson broke his contract at the Cats but ended up at the Bombers and they way this scandal has been managed to protect Hird at all cost I now don't trust this as anything other than an exercise of diverting the blame and making sure justice is seen to be done.

Fully agree with that, the Herald Sun's silence has been obvious, spearheaded by Robinson himself. If those text messages are true though Hirdy is going down with the ship, no deflecting from those

[azabob]

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Mark Robinson has been running a campaign (almost daily) that distances Hird from direct responsibility which I think is a crock. I think the fall guys have already been identified and the main focus is to now make sure the Golden Boy isn't in the firing line.

With the way Hird knifed Knights before taking his job, the way that Thompson broke his contract at the Cats but ended up at the Bombers and they way this scandal has been managed to protect Hird at all cost I now don't trust this as anything other than an exercise of diverting the blame and making sure justice is seen to be done.

At the other paper Caroline Wilson is evening it out by saying Hird has to be held accountable, but of course she is criticised from here to kingdom come.

[Eastdog]

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It's probably like anything mate. Some truths, some half truths, some untruths etc. I did think the initial media coverage was ridiculous.

I think there's some people leaking some pretty serious information to Caroline Wilson, and like her or not she doesn't normally go this hard if there's not reasonable basis for doing so, particularly considering the consequences for all involved.

Yeah the initial media coverage was over the top.

[Remi Moses]

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At the other paper Caroline Wilson is evening it out by saying Hird has to be held accountable, but of course she is criticised from here to kingdom come.

Great point . Hird at one of the door stop frenzies said he was responsible for what happens at this club. Wilson and Smith went hard and at least stood by their digs.

[Ghost Dog]

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The whole announcement was perhaps a little over the top.
Some in the "Boys Club" ( sorry media) have lambasted the whole process of the investigation.
Hello Mark Fine SEN
What's the difference between our athletes and the East German athletes of the 70's?
Both not knowing they were administering banned substances!
Of course their athletes were "cheats" and should be kicked out of sport.
Naturally Australian athletes "didn't know" what they were administering !
You bare the utmost responsibility of what goes in your body!!End of Story

I was in the supermarket the other day. In the hair section it has this stuff for strengthening hair. It has a warning label. If you are a sportsman, do not use. It will come up in hair samples during drug testing.
Exactly Remi - people are responsible for what goes into their bodies.

[Maddog37]

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Surely if you are getting weekly injections you must be a bit suss on it all.

[Ghost Dog]

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Going to be messy. But please AFL, show you have the minerals to make the hard call, if they are guilty.

[jeemak]

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Surely if you are getting weekly injections you must be a bit suss on it all.

I don't understand why everyone has issues with injections? I mean, I saw Rocky IV just like everyone else and the connotation tabled when Ivan Drago injected was that it was dirty and unfair. But does that have to be the case?

Why is ingesting a tablet or capsule less likely to result in you doing something you shouldn't be doing?

[jeemak]

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Mark Robinson has been running a campaign (almost daily) that distances Hird from direct responsibility which I think is a crock. I think the fall guys have already been identified and the main focus is to now make sure the Golden Boy isn't in the firing line.

With the way Hird knifed Knights before taking his job, the way that Thompson broke his contract at the Cats but ended up at the Bombers and they way this scandal has been managed to protect Hird at all cost I now don't trust this as anything other than an exercise of diverting the blame and making sure justice is seen to be done.

The only people that are blind to it are Essendon supporters.

If there's been breaches, which is looking a little more likely every day then Hird has to fall on his sword. He's plainly culpable, as is every operational decision maker within the entire organisation. There cannot be any getting out of it, on any level irrespective of what Mark Robinson wants.

[AndrewP6]

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I don't understand why everyone has issues with injections? I mean, I saw Rocky IV just like everyone else and the connotation tabled when Ivan Drago injected was that it was dirty and unfair. But does that have to be the case?

When the injections contain banned substances, yes it does

Why is ingesting a tablet or capsule less likely to result in you doing something you shouldn't be doing?

In my book they're equally wrong, if the substance/s being ingested are illegal. I'm no expert, but I believe injected substances can be stronger/faster acting.

[jeemak]

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When the injections contain banned substances, yes it does

In my book they're equally wrong, if the substance/s being ingested are illegal. I'm no expert, but I believe injected substances can be stronger/faster acting.

Your first point is obviously valid AP6. I'll never argue against that. But what's wrong with taking legal substances via injection?

Agree on your second point as well, and think that injection is a great way of delivering fast acting legal substances if you have the stomach for it.

I suppose I'm just a little flummoxed by anyone having an issue with injections over any other delivery method. It's kind of not seeing the forest for the trees as far as I'm concerned. Essentially the delivery method is inconsequential, it's the substance and the intent that I'm concerned about.

[boydogs]

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I'm no expert, but I believe injected substances can be stronger/faster acting.

By some margin. They are also more dangerous, the filtration done when ingesting something to deal with the nasties and water things down doesn't apply, hence you are far, far more likely to overdose on something you are injecting.

[jeemak]

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By some margin. They are also more dangerous, the filtration done when ingesting something to deal with the nasties and water things down doesn't apply, hence you are far, far more likely to overdose on something you are injecting.

Of course you are, but we're not talking about smack or meth here.