Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

[AndrewP6]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Your first point is obviously valid AP6. I'll never argue against that. But what's wrong with taking legal substances via injection?

Agree on your second point as well, and think that injection is a great way of delivering fast acting legal substances if you have the stomach for it.

I suppose I'm just a little flummoxed by anyone having an issue with injections over any other delivery method. It's kind of not seeing the forest for the trees as far as I'm concerned. Essentially the delivery method is inconsequential, it's the substance and the intent that I'm concerned about.

Maybe the dangers of the injecting itself, i.e - the possibility of dirty needles etc.

[jeemak]

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Maybe the dangers of the injecting itself, i.e - the possibility of dirty needles etc.

For goodness sake.

If Essendon were sharing dirty needles then even I couldn't see the black comedy in it. These injections were administered by people being paid a shitload of cash to administer them. It wasn't a bunch of Mark Renton's and Tommy's sitting around sharing junk.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

For goodness sake.

If Essendon were sharing dirty needles then even I couldn't see the black comedy in it. These injections were administered by people being paid a shitload of cash to administer them. It wasn't a bunch of Mark Renton's and Tommy's sitting around sharing junk.

It wasn't my thoughts I was just supposing.

[jeemak]

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It wasn't my thoughts I was just supposing.

Fair enough Bruv.

[boydogs]

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Of course you are, but we're not talking about smack or meth here.

Just providing some context.

[jeemak]

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Just providing some context.

That's cool, sorry if it seemed I was attacking. I just get a bit frustrated by the problems people have with injections when the bigger picture is the content.

[Mofra]

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I don't understand why everyone has issues with injections? I mean, I saw Rocky IV just like everyone else and the connotation tabled when Ivan Drago injected was that it was dirty and unfair. But does that have to be the case?

Why is ingesting a tablet or capsule less likely to result in you doing something you shouldn't be doing?

Two major issues:

1. There are many substances that break down when injested orally but are effective when injected or delivered sub-cutaneously, and these are often harder to detect as they are often just naturally occurring compounds in the body (even tot he extent of the blood doping system for cycling in the 90s).

2. IV use is banned in the AFL after the Brisbane Lions used IVs extensively for hydration during their glory years. Even if it's just vitamins, as I understand it that's compliant with WADA it still may breach AFL rules.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Scenario A. Essendon is found not guilty.
(Has Demetriou's grubby hands all over it.)

Scenario B. Essendon is found guilty. All guilty players serve a 6 month ban in the off season.
Watson is found guilty but keeps his Brownlow.

(Has Demetriou's grubby hands all over it.)

Scenario C.................?

[Maddog37]

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At the end of the day the drive to push the envelope and be succesful at any cost is the cause of Essendons problems. People like Dank etc are just a symptom of the problem.

[Greystache]

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At the end of the day the drive to push the envelope and be succesful at any cost is the cause of Essendons problems. People like Dank etc are just a symptom of the problem.

Yet teams seem to accept having numerous forwards in their team that can't kick for goal as part and parcel of life. They even acknowledge they don't do much work to improve it, it's bizarre.

They constantly talk about the strive to find that 1% advantage over other teams such as this, then they go out on the weekend and lose by a goal because they kick 10.18.

Some parts of the game is on the cutting edge but some is stuck in the 60s

[DOG GOD]

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This is what I'm hoping....
Hird to be found guilty and sacked.
Players in question suspended for 16 weeks (during the season)
Watson to lose his brownlow.

My mum is an Essendon supporter and she hates me right now

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

At the end of the day the drive to push the envelope and be succesful at any cost is the cause of Essendons problems. People like Dank etc are just a symptom of the problem.

Well said. You don't let people waltz in and start mucking around jabbing players willy nilly if you run a professional organisation.

[Max469]

Re: Essendon under AFL investigation regarding 2012 fitness program

Scenario A. Essendon is found not guilty.
(Has Demetriou's grubby hands all over it.)

Scenario B. Essendon is found guilty. All guilty players serve a 6 month ban in the off season.
Watson is found guilty but keeps his Brownlow.

(Has Demetriou's grubby hands all over it.)

Scenario C.................?

I would be surprised if this did not happen. After all it is Essendon

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I would be surprised if this did not happen. After all it is Essendon

exactly..........and Melbourne didn't tank.

[boydogs]

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Some parts of the game is on the cutting edge but some is stuck in the 60s

Forwards can't just sit in the goalsquare and wait for the ball these days, they are tired from running around and shooting from further out.