List Management 2015

[bulldogtragic]

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He's not old enough to be a free agent - a trade would be required.

Yep. Trade it'd need to be. I imagine our pick 10 and JJ (plus initial ambit claim) would be the asking price.

[Greystache]

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Yep. Trade it'd need to be. I imagine our pick 10 and JJ (plus initial ambit claim) would be the asking price.

Given his recent form line I'm not convinced we'd need to add a sweetener to pick 10. He doesn't want to be there, is out of contract, and has shown that if he's not in a happy place his output is pretty affected. Essendon can't hang onto him and he's a high risk pick up in the PSD for a club that chooses him against his will. Ryder was traded for pick 17 which is about equal comparing age and output.

[chef]

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FWIW Essendon forum members 'with sauces' say Carlisle is as good as gone.

So its just a question of which club picks him up.

Stevo said us and Hawks leading the charge and we've promised him we'd play him in his prefer position down back.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Being Essendon the asking price will be Bontempelli and Pick 10

Being realistic it will take our first rounder i think. I dont think we need to add anything else.

Pick 10 plus JJ is way overs. Based on current form of both players this is especially so.

Reality is we really need an athletic mid first - one with clean skills - but seriously that would have to be the no 1 pick right? So Carlisle as a CHB with ability to switch CHF is next on our priority list

[G-Mo77]

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Why is JJ being thrown in? Because Essendon apparently wanted him a couple of years ago. No way and no way for a first round pick. Carsile has been average at best no way he's worth pick 10 and JJ I don't think he's worth pick 10 either.

[bulldogtragic]

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Yep. Trade it'd need to be. I imagine our pick 10 and JJ (plus initial ambit claim) would be the asking price.

I didn't say that's what I'd do. I said that'd be their asking price. How we respond to that is another thing all together.

[G-Mo77]

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I didn't say that's what I'd do. I said that'd be their asking price. How we respond to that is another thing all together.

Out of contract so who cares what their response would be. We offered a 2nd round pick for Crameri from day 1 in the trade period they moaned and whined and took for the entire period and took the deal, that was his worth. Carslisle is out of contract so good luck to them in trying to pry more away.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Why is JJ being thrown in? Because Essendon apparently wanted him a couple of years ago. No way and no way for a first round pick. Carsile has been average at best no way he's worth pick 10 and JJ I don't think he's worth pick 10 either.

I agree pick 10 is overs base don his current form. It will all depend on what Jake wants to do though as there will be multiple clubs fighting for him - Carlton, Richmond, Hawthorn have all been mentioned. But if he nominates us it will help our cause

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Given his recent form line I'm not convinced we'd need to add a sweetener to pick 10. He doesn't want to be there, is out of contract, and has shown that if he's not in a happy place his output is pretty affected. Essendon can't hang onto him and he's a high risk pick up in the PSD for a club that chooses him against his will. Ryder was traded for pick 17 which is about equal comparing age and output.

Pick 10 or thereabouts for Carlisle - would you do it Grey?

It's an interesting dilemma. Our key backs have started to look OK with Roberts much improved and Hamling/Talia showing some encouraging signs. Having said that, none are proven and each have key flaws. Our greatest weakness is the midfield - realistically we're a couple short, hence needing our half forwards to spend large portions of the game in the middle of the ground.

We know that finding quality big men is difficult, whilst finding quality midfielders is much easier. I'd be inclined to pull the trigger and do it - a Carlisle/Roberts/Hamling trio allows Roughy to play ruck/forward possibly in tandem with Campbell.

[Greystache]

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Pick 10 or thereabouts for Carlisle - would you do it Grey?

It's an interesting dilemma. Our key backs have started to look OK with Roberts much improved and Hamling/Talia showing some encouraging signs. Having said that, none are proven and each have key flaws. Our greatest weakness is the midfield - realistically we're a couple short, hence needing our half forwards to spend large portions of the game in the middle of the ground.

We know that finding quality big men is difficult, whilst finding quality midfielders is much easier. I'd be inclined to pull the trigger and do it - a Carlisle/Roberts/Hamling trio allows Roughy to play ruck/forward possibly in tandem with Campbell.

Yep, all things being equal. He's a quality key defender who can play on a variety of opponents and gives us a solid core in defence. Between Roberts, Hamling, and Talia I'm confident we can round out the remainder, while also pushing Roughead into the ruck. We still need mids but there's more around and you can pick up quality in the second round easier than KPP.

We just need to focus on drafting pure mids who have size and pace. No more midgets, no more HBF/HFF types that can do a stint in the middle, no more slow players.

[jeemak]

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I wouldn't be surprised if we thought we'd need to hang on to our first pick, the reality is we'll be losing Clay Smith in all likelihood and we have Liberatore coming back from a knee as well which exposes us somewhat, so we need to ensure elite first round midfield talent comes onto our list in this year's draft.

That would mean we'd need to secure another first round draft pick to land Carlisle, and in order to do that we'd probably have to bundle our second round pick with a more than handy player.

[Twodogs]

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Was firmly on the Get Carlisle wagon, but after watching our defensive group do a decent job of curtailing some good key forwards over the past 2 weeks (with Talia to be inserted), I'm leaning towards keeping our first pick and drafting the best available midfielder.

We just don't have enough cream in the midfield with the exception of Bonti & Macrae, and it hurt us last night with a lack of spread from congestion. One more skilled runner would make a world of difference.

Thoughts?

Two words. Poise and precision. I don't know if it's because we have such a young team but if we'd just had a bit more poise we wouldn't have thrown a couple of games away. Against Freo the ball gets to Stevens from Goodes and we win. Against St Kilda, well there were nine or ten times we threw that one away, but if we'd just been able to stop and sum up for a minute or two and adjust accordingly we win the game.

A smart midfielder who uses the ball well and has a bit of toe is the next part of the puzzle.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Yep, all things being equal. He's a quality key defender who can play on a variety of opponents and gives us a solid core in defence. Between Roberts, Hamling, and Talia I'm confident we can round out the remainder, while also pushing Roughead into the ruck. We still need mids but there's more around and you can pick up quality in the second round easier than KPP.

We just need to focus on drafting pure mids who have size and pace. No more midgets, no more HBF/HFF types that can do a stint in the middle, no more slow players.

I suppose the argument to the last point is that you do need early picks to find 'complete' midfielders who are relatively quick, strong, ball winners with good disposal.

Does it become a question of who we target - Carlisle or Dangerfield - and who our preferred option would be? I'd find it hard to separate the two, both would add a lot to our side. It would be pretty damn fun watching Bonti and Danger in the same side, with Libba/Wallis too.

[bulldogtragic]

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I suppose the argument to the last point is that you do need early picks to find 'complete' midfielders who are relatively quick, strong, ball winners with good disposal.

Does it become a question of who we target - Carlisle or Dangerfield - and who our preferred option would be? I'd find it hard to separate the two, both would add a lot to our side. It would be pretty damn fun watching Bonti and Danger in the same side, with Libba/Wallis too.

Danger field is a FA so I like it, depending on salary. That's our midfielder and then we've picks to move. Pick 20 and Henderson for pick 10. Hun says $500,000 is around Hendo. Not sure we could find $1.3 or so for both. We'd need to move Minson on and retire Boyd and Morris. Geelong said to be looking at this combo, ballsy move but a FB and gun mid and top 20 pick. Fair outcome.

[Webby]

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Everyone needs to remember that Dangerfield is a RESTRICTED free agent. That means that Adelaide can hold onto him by simply matching an offer to him. This means the deal would need to be a mega offer.

Free Agency is there to top up with older, unrestricted free agents once the project is 95% complete. We're not at that point as yet. We'd be far better placed to just keep drafting and developing at this stage. Trading is the way to go at this point, but only at the right price.

Norf overspent on Higgins, only to realise it effectively squeezed out Greenwood. Greenwood is more of a loss than Higgins is a gain for them. Restricted free agents come at top dollar. Unrestricted free agents are where the value is. Problem for us is it's too early to go down that path.