List Management 2015

[1eyedog]

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Must keep Talia regardless of whether another KP comes in.

He is a pure defender and will be very good at it. He is the logical replacement for Morris who must be close to retirement. With Talia, Roberts, Hamling and possibly Carlisle we will have for once some depth in our KPD personnel, especially when we can add Roughead to the mix. How often have we been able to say that?

That's fine but if our chosen three stay injury free the fourth / fifth will seek opportunity elsewhere. I don't see how we can retain them all if all of them aren't playing. You don't keep good KPP as back up, they just get big offers elsewhere or get disgruntled.

[Go_Dogs]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

Of course not. But in order to continue to develop our list, we need high end picks to allow us to select high end talent - which is the point being made. Classy flankers are great and we've grabbed a bunch in 2014 but if we want an A grade midfielder we'll need an early pick.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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That's fine but if our chosen three stay injury free the fourth / fifth will seek opportunity elsewhere. I don't see how we can retain them all if all of them aren't playing. You don't keep good KPP as back up, they just get big offers elsewhere or get disgruntled.

Yep.

I think Talia can develop into a good player but if reports were true about him wanting 400-500K he's not worth that and he's expendable.

Happy to keep him but we need to be astute in our list management.

[Twodogs]

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Yep.

I think Talia can develop into a good player but if reports were true about him wanting 400-500K he's not worth that and he's expendable.

Happy to keep him but we need to be astute in our list management.

Football wages are about to inflate though. There's considerably more money going to be payed to players. Maybe that sort of money will be right for players of Talia's ability.

[GVGjr]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

I think so. The best players go early and you are more likely to find star players early. There are always exceptions but trading away first round selections is not something a rebuilding club should do too often. It's a bit different when you are contending.

[jeemak]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

People say they don't, but they do.

[mjp]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

Well - they do if members of the match committee were invested in making the selection. :-)

Most high draft picks are at least 'given a chance' regardless of 2nd tier form. The same cannot be said of players selected from pick 50-onwards. Once a player is actually IN the team, he controls his own destiny to an extent - but 'IN' does not mean one game. 'IN' means getting an extended run of games (somewhere between 3 and 8) to create an impression.

[jeemak]

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Everyone needs to remember that Dangerfield is a RESTRICTED free agent. That means that Adelaide can hold onto him by simply matching an offer to him. This means the deal would need to be a mega offer.

Free Agency is there to top up with older, unrestricted free agents once the project is 95% complete. We're not at that point as yet. We'd be far better placed to just keep drafting and developing at this stage. Trading is the way to go at this point, but only at the right price.

Norf overspent on Higgins, only to realise it effectively squeezed out Greenwood. Greenwood is more of a loss than Higgins is a gain for them. Restricted free agents come at top dollar. Unrestricted free agents are where the value is. Problem for us is it's too early to go down that path.

I don't know whether Greenwood is a player who is capable of kicking multiple goals often, which Higgins is. Higgins has been excellent for the Roos this year, his performance last week in particular was outstanding.

Greenwood is a good honest player, but one that it easier to replace than a player like Higgins if he's used correctly - which he hadn't been for his last year or so with us.

We tend to underestimate the value of guys that are clean and can chip in for a few goals a game.

[S Coast Simon]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

I agree the number isn't as important as application. Look at some of the legends of the game not high draft picks but turned into champions through hard work

[hujsh]

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But do draft numbers actually mean anything once the players are inside your 4 walls?

I guess it does if you're Jack Watts

[bulldogtragic]

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Jack Darling?

[GVGjr]

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Jack Darling?

Do you think he would leave the West or is this something that is being speculated?

[Remi Moses]

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I don't know whether Greenwood is a player who is capable of kicking multiple goals often, which Higgins is. Higgins has been excellent for the Roos this year, his performance last week in particular was outstanding.

Greenwood is a good honest player, but one that it easier to replace than a player like Higgins if he's used correctly - which he hadn't been for his last year or so with us.

We tend to underestimate the value of guys that are clean and can chip in for a few goals a game.

Higgins has been good against the good and ordinary teams, but against the big boys ( sydney, and hawthorn) he was average.
They've recruited to win a flag , and Higgins won't be that player that makes a difference.

[bulldogtragic]

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Do you think he would leave the West or is this something that is being speculated?

Question only.

I think he's a natural forward and can't seem to get played down forward permanently - although getting a bit tonight. Perhaps CHF at our club with our kids might tempt him.

[Twodogs]

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Jack Darling?

It's worth asking about his plans. As you say he would fit nicely into our forward line as he playes the CHF role pretty well as well as being pretty handy closer to goal. He would bring our attack a bit of flexibity and take some of the pressure of Tom Boyd as the sole tall target and feeing sole responsibility to get to every marking contest.

I don't think it would be easy but it's a situation that could be of a lot of benefit for both partys. Darling gets a significant role in a developing team and we put another part of the puzzle in place. West Coast get a high draft pick.