Stringer Trade Worth

[DOG GOD]

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What would be the worst deal you would be prepared to take for Stringer? The consensus is Essendon won't be offering pick 11 straight up. Could we hand back pick 38 and still be comfortable with that?

Didn't kangaroos give Hawks a pick 12-15 for Jed Anderson?
Stringer is definately worth pick 11.

[GVGjr]

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Didn't kangaroos give Hawks a pick 12-15 for Jed Anderson?
Stringer is definately worth pick 11.

He's worth 11 but I can't see Essendon giving it straight up

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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He's worth 11 but I can't see Essendon giving it straight up

Hopefully now Connors has 'backflipped' and said Jake isn't settled 100% on Essendon other suitors may emerge who will be more willing trade partners.

[ratsmac]

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Hopefully now Connors has 'backflipped' and said Jake isn't settled 100% on Essendon other suitors may emerge who will be more willing trade partners.

Hopefully now that the dust has settled a bit with the article from his ex, clubs will start to look at Jake's football ability rather than his personal life and realise how good a fit in any team he can be. With maturity Jake you would hope get his life in order and his football will benefit greatly. If a player of his ilk were available for a top 10 pick and we didn't throw our hat in the ring, I'd be disappointed. Come on Saints get involved.

[hujsh]

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What would be the worst deal you would be prepared to take for Stringer? The consensus is Essendon won't be offering pick 11 straight up. Could we hand back pick 38 and still be comfortable with that?

Worst deal?

11 straight.

Really pushing to find that acceptable though

[Mofra]

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What would be the worst deal you would be prepared to take for Stringer? The consensus is Essendon won't be offering pick 11 straight up. Could we hand back pick 38 and still be comfortable with that?

I'm think pick 38 will be sent to Freo for Crozier

[GVGjr]

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I'm think pick 38 will be sent to Freo for Crozier

I get that but I'm wanting to gauge the level of flexibility of trade options

[bulldogtragic]

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I get that but I'm wanting to gauge the level of flexibility of trade options

I think we need to know if there's any one interested. If we rule out Essendon. Geelong and Watts looks good. Collingwood, St Kilda & Hawks have said no. Melbourne are tied up. Richmond don't have the cap. So then there's 2 clubs left to trade with. North & Carlton.

Hypothetically if their interested, they're best offer is a trade down from picks 3/pick 4, with a second rounder or a solid player but not a star. That to me doesn't say jump do it, unless Dalrymple is frothing at mouth with that pick or we need a top 5 pick to land a huge fish.

[1eyedog]

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I can't see how North aren't keen on Stringer. They've got space and really, he's the best named player being bandied about this trade period. If he doesn't want to play for them too bad, we didn't arse this up he did so we shouldn't continue bending over to his wishes. JMac needs to tell CM to approach North for their first rounder or he just stays with us.

[GVGjr]

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Thanks BT. Good thought starter.

Just off the top of my head without a lot of thought and assuming Connors is flexible on Victorian clubs.
Could a swap of 1st and 2nd round picks with North adding their 3rd round pick for Stringer strengthen our position enough?

North give up picks 4, 21 and 44 and receive Stringer plus picks 9 and 26.
It gives North the big fish they've been trying to land and the media win they need plus maintains a strong position at the draft. They then might use pick 26 for Darcy Lang who they seem interested in

For us
We receive picks 4, 21 and 44 losing Stringer and picks 9 and 26. I concede it's a net loss and might need something else but at the very least it's not to a competitor like Essendon
We have an early pick in the draft and move up 5 positions in the 2nd round. Pick 44 in the 3rd round which might be enough to satisfy Freo for Crozier

It then gives us some options
- Go to the draft and get one of the top 4 players. LDU, Stephenson Rayner, Dow and Brayshaw are all in play and we then back it up with picks 21 and 38.
- Offer pick 4 to Brisbane for Schache and pick 18. Brisbane still have 3 strong picks in the first round 1, 4 and 14.
We would have Schache, Crozier and picks 18, 21 and 38 to go along with Trengove.

[1eyedog]

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I don't like that at all. We're effectively giving up our pick 4 from North for Schache, but have to give pick 9 and Stringer to North to get it? It's too much. Stringer to North for pick 4 and swap picks 44 and 26.

That's fine if they don't want to do it but it is highly questionable whether pick 4 this year will turn out to be a better player than Jake Stringer for them. The benefit for them is Jake is ready to go. Ready made match winner.

The danger for clubs thinking they can get him next year is;

1. He stays at the club and turns everything around (wants to stay).
2. He stays and absolutely dominates to prove a point requiring a top 5 pick anyway. At which point there are a handful of suitors and the Norf Melbourne's of this world do not get a look in.

[GVGjr]

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I don't like that at all. We're effectively giving up our pick 4 from North for Schache, but have to give pick 9 and Stringer to North to get it? It's too much. Stringer to North for pick 4 and swap picks 44 and 26.

That's fine if they don't want to do it but it is highly questionable whether pick 4 this year will turn out to be a better player than Jake Stringer for them. The benefit for them is Jake is ready to go. Ready made match winner.

The danger for clubs thinking they can get him next year is;

1. He stays at the club and turns everything around (wants to stay).
2. He stays and absolutely dominates to prove a point requiring a top 5 pick anyway. At which point there are a handful of suitors and the Norf Melbourne's of this world do not get a look in.

And getting pick 18 back. I get that it's far from perfect but something we might be able to better balance with a bit of discussion

[bulldogtragic]

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Thanks BT. Good thought starter.

Just off the top of my head without a lot of thought and assuming Connors is flexible on Victorian clubs.
Could a swap of 1st and 2nd round picks with North adding their 3rd round pick for Stringer strengthen our position enough?

North give up picks 4, 21 and 44 and receive Stringer plus picks 9 and 26.
It gives North the big fish they've been trying to land and the media win they need plus maintains a strong position at the draft. They then might use pick 26 for Darcy Lang who they seem interested in

For us
We receive picks 4, 21 and 44 losing Stringer and picks 9 and 26. I concede it's a net loss and might need something else but at the very least it's not to a competitor like Essendon
We have an early pick in the draft and move up 5 positions in the 2nd round. Pick 44 in the 3rd round which might be enough to satisfy Freo for Crozier

It then gives us some options
- Go to the draft and get one of the top 4 players. LDU, Stephenson Rayner, Dow and Brayshaw are all in play and we then back it up with picks 21 and 38.
- Offer pick 4 to Brisbane for Schache and pick 18. Brisbane still have 3 strong picks in the first round 1, 4 and 14.
We would have Schache, Crozier and picks 18, 21 and 38 to go along with Trengove.

Where do you see Ballenden going? Would a draft points trade interest them for Pick 12?

If they're interested, 18 & 38 and 21 & 38 gives them a net points gain. Take the lesser version for us (unless they have a player of ours in mind, such as Crameri then the slightly better version), 18 & 38 for 12. That tweaks your plan to Schache, Trengove & Crozier. Picks 12 & 21 then pick 80 on Roarke Smith. Then if we are looking to trade some out, look to see what we can get.

Dogs: 12, 18 & Schache
Brisbne: 4, 21, 38 & player/3rd next year (Stringer to North)

[anfo27]

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Thanks BT. Good thought starter.

Just off the top of my head without a lot of thought and assuming Connors is flexible on Victorian clubs.
Could a swap of 1st and 2nd round picks with North adding their 3rd round pick for Stringer strengthen our position enough?

North give up picks 4, 21 and 44 and receive Stringer plus picks 9 and 26.
It gives North the big fish they've been trying to land and the media win they need plus maintains a strong position at the draft. They then might use pick 26 for Darcy Lang who they seem interested in

For us
We receive picks 4, 21 and 44 losing Stringer and picks 9 and 26. I concede it's a net loss and might need something else but at the very least it's not to a competitor like Essendon
We have an early pick in the draft and move up 5 positions in the 2nd round. Pick 44 in the 3rd round which might be enough to satisfy Freo for Crozier

It then gives us some options
- Go to the draft and get one of the top 4 players. LDU, Stephenson Rayner, Dow and Brayshaw are all in play and we then back it up with picks 21 and 38.
- Offer pick 4 to Brisbane for Schache and pick 18. Brisbane still have 3 strong picks in the first round 1, 4 and 14.
We would have Schache, Crozier and picks 18, 21 and 38 to go along with Trengove.

No thank you. Jake is worth more than a pick upgrade. I want a good pick & thats it. Pick 11 is a bargain for Jake but the bombers don't want a bargain, they want a fire sale.
I can't believe the rubbish that he can't stay. Of course he can stay! If he sulks or doesn't pull his finger out he can train with Footscray & play the year in the VFL. Yeah we get buggar all next year but Jakey boy you won't be getting $600k for 4 years after a year in the VFL either!

[GVGjr]

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Where do you see Ballenden going? Would a draft points trade interest them for Pick 12?

If they're interested, 18 & 38 and 21 & 38 gives them a net points gain. Take the lesser version for us (unless they have a player of ours in mind, such as Crameri then the slightly better version), 18 & 38 for 12. That tweaks your plan to Schache, Trengove & Crozier. Picks 12 & 21 then pick 80 on Roarke Smith. Then if we are looking to trade some out, look to see what we can get.

Dogs: 12, 18 & Schache
Brisbne: 4, 21, 38 & player/3rd next year (Stringer to North)

Ballenden is top 8 from my perspective

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