Stringer Trade Worth

[Happy Days]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

From my limited understanding of the draft I want us to put a bid in on Ballenden, so lets say 9 at the minimum.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

From my limited understanding of the draft I want us to put a bid in on Ballenden, so lets say 9 at the minimum.

That's the key with the back and forth last page with GVGjr. If he's going to get a bid before 12, then they my be inclined to look at a points trade with pick 12 with the new owners of Schache. GCS may end up with pick 11 and may use a bid on him, being a somewhat local kid. So a club could really work out a bigger trade where both parties do well.

[GVGjr]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

That's the key with the back and forth last page with GVGjr. If he's going to get a bid before 12, then they my be inclined to look at a points trade with pick 12 with the new owners of Schache. GCS may end up with pick 11 and may use a bid on him, being a somewhat local kid. So a club could really work out a bigger trade where both parties do well.

Sorry I thought you meant Brander. Ballenden maybe top 20 but early 20's

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

Sorry I thought you meant Brander. Ballenden maybe top 20 but early 20's

Then I will factor a bid in before 19. If we agree on an assumption, most won't agree, let's say with the baggage around that Stringer & Schache are worth to something near each other. So this is the following based on same. So we take your well though out plan, and say Stringer, 9 & 27 for 4, 21 and 44.

Check Point: 4, 21, 39 (Crozier) 44 - Trengove

Trade for Schache is 4, 21 & 44 (Net1,058 points/Pick 16) (fringe player if they want it, or 2018 3rd if needed only) - for Picks 12 & 19

Check Point/End Point: Picks 12 & 19, Pick 80 (Roarke) and Trengove, Crozier, Schache

Summary: We have two top 20 picks. Our first rounder is still about pick 10. Our second rounder comes into the top 20. Our third nets Crozier. Trengove is a free agent. Schache is comes in for Stringer, so bout the same value, but we improve our draft position overall. I'm sure BigFooty can throw up trades where we do much better, but if both players are contracted and clubs aren't in love them their values both drop to near the same. But we do better with our draft picks. So it feels about right

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

There's a time for cutting your losses and 'taking unders' and there's a time to stand firm.

It's time to stand firm.

Our reputation at the trade table is that we are pushovers - case in point being the ridiculous Brian Lake trade on day 1. Let's not go there again.

We must dictate what we want and accept nothing less. In other words, be prepared to lose Stringer for nothing in 2018 in order to stand by our core values and principles.

As for what the minimum is? Pick 11 on its own - and even then I am not thrilled about it.

[Topdog]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

Pick 11 is me being flexible

[Happy Days]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

There's a time for cutting your losses and 'taking unders' and there's a time to stand firm.

It's time to stand firm.

Our reputation at the trade table is that we are pushovers - case in point being the ridiculous Brian Lake trade on day 1. Let's not go there again.

We must dictate what we want and accept nothing less. In other words, be prepared to lose Stringer for nothing in 2018 in order to stand by our core values and principles.

As for what the minimum is? Pick 11 on its own - and even then I am not thrilled about it.

It's always time to stand firm. I don't understand why we didn't do it with Lake, I don't understand why we didn't do it with Crameri and I don't understand why it would have taken us until now to start.

[Murphy'sLore]

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I can't get over this narrative that Stringer has been 'pushed out' and now the Bulldogs just have to suck up whatever they can get!

That was never the situation. He was put on the table, IF the right deal could be done, and that's been the case from day one. All this sanctimonious pontification is really annoying me.

(and yes, auto correct, pontification is a real word)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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It's always time to stand firm. I don't understand why we didn't do it with Lake, I don't understand why we didn't do it with Crameri and I don't understand why it would have taken us until now to start.

Sometimes you need to be accommodating. I can live with the Hrovat and Stevens' deals if they are the exception, and perhaps Hamling given his Father's illness, but unfortunately when it comes to us, accommodating has been the rule.

We should absolutely not be accommodating now in any sense of the word and I expect the member base to be livid if we are.

[ledge]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

Lake was a different story he had one year to go then he was a free agent , stringer will not be a free agent next year.
We couldn't bargain at all if he stayed another year and we also chose Hrovat and Stevens in draft picks not as a player trade so much. So it was the drafting team that chose the wrong players. Nothing to do with Lake.

[hujsh]

Re: Stringer Trade Worth

Lake was a different story he had one year to go then he was a free agent , stringer will not be a free agent next year.
We couldn't bargain at all if he stayed another year and we also chose Hrovat and Stevens in draft picks not as a player trade so much. So it was the drafting team that chose the wrong players. Nothing to do with Lake.

Would have been better off with free agency compo.

[Mofra]

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It's always time to stand firm. I don't understand why we didn't do it with Lake, I don't understand why we didn't do it with Crameri and I don't understand why it would have taken us until now to start.

We did do it with Crameri. We made our offer early in the piece, took Essendon until the final hours to accept it.

They wanted us to downgrade pick 4 (Bontempelli)!

[Rocket Science]

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I can't get over this narrative that Stringer has been 'pushed out' and now the Bulldogs just have to suck up whatever they can get!

"All of a sudden clubs are wanting to publically put our players and any player on the market, and then go, ‘Hang on we actually want pick 10 for this player, or pick 20’ … there’s a caveat on it."

We can thank his manager for pouring fire on that. He's only enabling the Dodos of the world.

[bulldogtragic]

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"All of a sudden clubs are wanting to publically put our players and any player on the market, and then go, ‘Hang on we actually want pick 10 for this player, or pick 20’ … there’s a caveat on it."

We can thank his manager for pouring fire on that. He's only enabling the Dodos of the world.

That's why there's a housing affordability crisis. People who don't want to live in their house any more, put it on the market, and wait for it.... are demanding the best possible price they can get. Outrageous.

The next time I inspect a house I'll starting arguing with the real estate agent... 'But they don't want to live here any more. How can they put a caveat on price in an open market. They don't want to live here, so it goes for the price I make up in my head'.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Lake was a different story he had one year to go then he was a free agent , stringer will not be a free agent next year.
We couldn't bargain at all if he stayed another year and we also chose Hrovat and Stevens in draft picks not as a player trade so much. So it was the drafting team that chose the wrong players. Nothing to do with Lake.

Lake was being headhunted by a side who just lost a GF and were absolutely desperate for him to be able to play on the gorilla FFs. We caved on day 1 by taking a pick upgrade (to then land Hrovat) and a later pick (to which we used on Stevens). It was a diabolical trade at the time and it is diabolical now.

To say we couldn't bargain is ridiculous ledge.

As mentioned above, compo would have been better anyway than what we took.

In terms of Hrovat and Stevens' I was referring to what we traded them away for last year, not what we originally acquired them for.