Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

[Dogs 24/7]

I mean if Dunkley raised issues in 2020 and asked out because of it and then we STILL didn't address them for 2 years after. Well that'd be extremely poor.

I find it hard to believe.

Well he did and we didn't address it like we should.
I feel it's harder for some folk to admit the club might have failed and it's vastly easier to throw a player who departed the club under the bus.

Look at the way we handled Jamarra leading into the final last year.
The club does get it wrong from time to time and it's apparently a hard pill for some of us to swallow.

[josie]

I mean if Dunkley raised issues in 2020 and asked out because of it and then we STILL didn't address them for 2 years after. Well that'd be extremely poor.

I find it hard to believe.

So do I. Do you really think our upstanding captain Bont would have put up with it? I’m sure measures were put in place, we didn’t just sit in our hands.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

So do I. Do you really think our upstanding captain Bont would have put up with it? I’m sure measures were put in place, we didn’t just sit in our hands.

Something happened between the Bont and Dunks too. They were bffs up until that first covid season.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Well he did and we didn't address it like we should.
I feel it's harder for some folk to admit the club might have failed and it's vastly easier to throw a player who departed the club under the bus.

Look at the way we handled Jamarra leading into the final last year.
The club does get it wrong from time to time and it's apparently a hard pill for some of us to swallow.

It sounds like youre speaking with direct knowledge of the situation. If you have all the facts then maybe share them with us to help settle this.

You're trying to paint all of us not entirely blaming the club with the same brush in thinking we're blindly supporting the club like its either one or the other. Like its left or right, blue or red as if there's no middle ground. Ive always been a fairly pessemistic critic of the club and with this particular case I'm being fairly pragmatic. It's unlikely to be entirely the club or Dunkley to blame. It could be very very simple and even with that, both parties are at fault.

[Dogs 24/7]

It sounds like youre speaking with direct knowledge of the situation. If you have all the facts then maybe share them with us to help settle this.

You're trying to paint all of us not entirely blaming the club with the same brush in thinking we're blindly supporting the club like its either one or the other. Like its left or right, blue or red as if there's no middle ground. Ive always been a fairly pessemistic critic of the club and with this particular case I'm being fairly pragmatic. It's unlikely to be entirely the club or Dunkley to blame. It could be very very simple and even with that, both parties are at fault.

It's confronting for some and that's more than okay because it's easier to blame a player who's moved to another club rather that explore the possibility the club played a hand in it.
It's certainly not all on the club and I don't think I've tried to pin it on them but it's certainly not for the reasons that have been blamed on Dunkley
It's not about money no matter if people chose that easy and convenient option.
We had a young and emerging player who was very results focused step up to a leadership role in a challenging period. Perhaps he wasn't ready for it.
When he experienced first-hand that a small number of players who weren't exhibiting professional standards, he tried to address it with the leadership group and coaches, and they didn't deal with it.
Disillusioned, he promptly stepped away from a leadership role and as was pointed out earlier in the discussion, Johannisen and Hunter were also dropped from the leadership group.

What we do know is that he stuck to the task at hand as a player and didn't get distracted by the club's decision to knock back his trade request.
In most cases his professionalism would be acknowledged rather than simply being mocked as money hungry.
That won't change anyone's opinion.
He's a quirky almost nerdy type that doesn't appeal to everyone, but you can't fault the fact that he makes the teams he plays for better and he is focused on milking every bit of energy he can to be a good player.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

It's confronting for some and that's more than okay because it's easier to blame a player who's moved to another club rather that explore the possibility the club played a hand in it.
It's certainly not all on the club and I don't think I've tried to pin it on them but it's certainly not for the reasons that have been blamed on Dunkley
It's not about money no matter if people chose that easy and convenient option.
We had a young and emerging player who was very results focused step up to a leadership role in a challenging period. Perhaps he wasn't ready for it.
When he experienced first-hand that a small number of players who weren't exhibiting professional standards, he tried to address it with the leadership group and coaches, and they didn't deal with it.
Disillusioned, he promptly stepped away from a leadership role and as was pointed out earlier in the discussion, Johannisen and Hunter were also dropped from the leadership group.

What we do know is that he stuck to the task at hand as a player and didn't get distracted by the club's decision to knock back his trade request.
In most cases his professionalism would be acknowledged rather than simply being mocked as money hungry.
That won't change anyone's opinion.
He's a quirky almost nerdy type that doesn't appeal to everyone, but you can't fault the fact that he makes the teams he plays for better and he is focused on milking every bit of energy he can to be a good player.

I haven't at all implied he left for money nor that the club hasn't played a part in his leaving. I don't think he left for reason a or reason b. It would have been multifaceted.

There's just no logical sense for a guy to get upset with some lazy players and simply want out and then choose to join a side that has Jake Stringer on the list. He knew full well what type of player Stringer was.

[Dogs 24/7]

I haven't at all implied he left for money nor that the club hasn't played a part in his leaving. I don't think he left for reason a or reason b. It would have been multifaceted.

There's just no logical sense for a guy to get upset with some lazy players and simply want out and then choose to join a side that has Jake Stringer on the list. He knew full well what type of player Stringer was.

No one said the players were lazy, please re-read it again and try and fill in the blanks.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

No one said the players were lazy, please re-read it again and try and fill in the blanks.

"Not exhibiting professional standards".

Whatever you want to call it, Stringer represents it so the point still stands.

[Bornadog]

"Not exhibiting professional standards".

Whatever you want to call it, Stringer represents it so the point still stands.

As I said, if we had big issues in 2020/21 that Dunkley complained about, we would not have made finals and then the GF the following year. Dunkley had issues with Hunter, and maybe he just wanted out due to their relationship. He most likely complained to leadership and coaches, but there are two sides to every story. Leadership group can only do so much. In the end Hunter was traded out.

The Club is now run professionally, with professional people. It is not the 70s or 80s when we didn't have resources and made many mistakes.

PS: The guy didn't want to play for us and he is gone and I don't care

[Dogs 24/7]

"Not exhibiting professional standards".

Whatever you want to call it, Stringer represents it so the point still stands.

You raise Stringer even though he was moved on years before this with Josh and he actually wasn't moved on for being lazy.
He was tolerated for a few years with that lazy trait.
As I mentioned, those invested in the blame the player group won't have their opinions changed and more power to them.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

You raise Stringer even though he was moved on years before this with Josh and he actually wasn't moved on for being lazy.
He was tolerated for a few years with that lazy trait.
As I mentioned, those invested in the blame the player group won't have their opinions changed and more power to them.

OK this is going nowhere.

[GVGjr]

You're very good at mining through what others write and grabbing on to the parts that suit you.
The point that you've intentionally missed is it's not because of one player but a lack of support from the coaches to address a wider issue with players who were not focused.
That has plagued us for a while and we've always been slow to address things over the last 10 years.

I understand that you're not open to exploring the facts with regards to Dunkley but at least stop questioning his character because he has proven that he made the right decision.
Jealous of Adz which you claim is speculative at best to justify your position bordering on manipulative.

Just on the notion that Dunks was jealous of much Adz was being paid, the facts are that the inflated figure Adz was on was because he had helped the Pies defer and back end his contract.
That's why the Pies had to pay a big part of his salary for the subsequent years. something like 300k a season
Evened out of the duration of this contract I would imagine the differences between the contracts of Adz and Dunks would be somewhat similar.
Hardly enough to trigger a level of jealously between two great mates.

[Stevo]

I'm really interested to see if can be salvaged with Marra at the end of the season. Does anyone have a feel of what "might be" on offer?

[EasternWest]

I'm really interested to see if can be salvaged with Marra at the end of the season. Does anyone have a feel of what "might be" on offer?

Him gone is enough of an offer for me.

[DOG GOD]

No club in their right mind would take him on, surely. If we was offered pick 100, I’d take it just to get him off the books and out of the club