Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Easy by stopping the opposition getting taps or easy clean clearances

But Sweet doesn't do that.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Tim English won't play for us if he doesn't play first ruck.

Bad luck then, if we are held ransom by one selfish player then you know the place is shot.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

But Sweet doesn't do that.

Where is the proof? i asked the games won when Sweet played but you never gave us that.
English certainly didn't do it on Friday.

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Why’s that?

Tim wants to be the number one ruck. It was strongly implied he wasn't happy with playing second fiddle to SSSM in an article/ interview with his manager and all but firmly asserted by Bevo a couple of times last year.

All of these hypotheticals seem inane to me because of that, and also because of the myth Jordon Sweet is some sort of competent tap ruckman at the elite level.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Tim wants to be the number one ruck. It was strongly implied he wasn't happy with playing second fiddle to SSSM in an article/ interview with his manager and all but firmly asserted by Bevo a couple of times last year.

All of these hypotheticals seem inane to me because of that, and also because of the myth Jordon Sweet is some sort of competent tap ruckman at the elite level.

Its called tail wagging the dog

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Where is the proof? i asked the games won when Sweet played but you never gave us that.

Yes we won games when Sweet played but he lost most of the ruck contests. In some cases he got completely ripped apart and we still won.

Just like we win games when English draws level or loses, or lose when he has a ripper.

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Its called tail wagging the dog

I don't like it either.

I advocated for chasing Grundy and playing English forward and forcing his hand to either do what the team needs or bugger off but it is what it is.

But I can't advocate for playing Sweet ruck and forcing English to play a role he doesn't want to play or bugger off, because Sweet isn't a good tap ruckman and isn't a good around the ground ruckman. Grundy is.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Tim wants to be the number one ruck. It was strongly implied he wasn't happy with playing second fiddle to SSSM in an article/ interview with his manager and all but firmly asserted by Bevo a couple of times last year.

All of these hypotheticals seem inane to me because of that, and also because of the myth Jordon Sweet is some sort of competent tap ruckman at the elite level.

Forgetting Sweet, that doesn?t sound good. Our midfield is determined by Tim?s wants. But JJ can play 3 years forward, Lobb can play wing, others wherever Bevo wants (except Naughton in defence). If he demands it on exposed form sure. If he demands it because of a personal preference, I can?t say I really like reading that. At all.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Yes we won games when Sweet played but he lost most of the ruck contests. In some cases he got completely ripped apart and we still won.

Just like we win games when English draws level or loses, or lose when he has a ripper.

To me winning is the end game but because a ruck doesn't win taps doesn't mean he isn't nullifying the opposition in anyway. It was clear on Friday and vs Gold Coast a major reason we lost was because the opposition ruck smashed us not only in taps but with their physical presence.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

I don't like it either.

I advocated for chasing Grundy and playing English forward and forcing his hand to either do what the team needs or bugger off but it is what it is.

But I can't advocate for playing Sweet ruck and forcing English to play a role he doesn't want to play or bugger off, because Sweet isn't a good tap ruckman and isn't a good around the ground ruckman. Grundy is.

This. What if Tim leaves for a monster offer? We’re flat out ****ed.

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

This. What if Tim leaves for a monster offer? We’re flat out ****ed.

We'll be fine because we have Jordon Sweet. Keep up!

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

I don't like it either.

I advocated for chasing Grundy and playing English forward and forcing his hand to either do what the team needs or bugger off but it is what it is.

But I can't advocate for playing Sweet ruck and forcing English to play a role he doesn't want to play or bugger off, because Sweet isn't a good tap ruckman and isn't a good around the ground ruckman. Grundy is.

OK let him have his way, not change a thing, continue with performances like Friday and see where it gets us.

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

To me winning is the end game but because a ruck doesn't win taps doesn't mean he isn't nullifying the opposition in anyway. It was clear on Friday and vs Gold Coast a major reason we lost was because the opposition ruck smashed us not only in taps but with their physical presence.

So the games we won where Jordon Sweet played and lost the hit outs we won because the impact of the hit outs weren't as great as when Tim loses the hit outs.

[jeemak]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

OK let him have his way, not change a thing, continue with performances like Friday and see where it gets us.

I said I don't like it. It's not my decision.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

So the games we won where Jordon Sweet played and lost the hit outs we won because the impact of the hit outs weren't as great as when Tim loses the hit outs.

Maybe. I haven't seen if there are stats that measure that. We had Ben Hudson that was a specialist at it.
I do remember so of the best football we have played over the past 3 years have been with 2 rucks and Englsih as the No 2.