Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Like I've said, I am not strongly against trying out Sweet but really hard to gauge too much into him killing it against top up listed rucks and guys filling in as all the rucks on the list are injured or playing AFL. For example, with Stanley out and Ceglar playing AFL, a bloke named Marriott played in the ruck for the Cats in the VFL against Sweet last week. Marriott hasn't won the hitouts all year. Crossley who was delisted by the Suns got 57 hitouts up against him.

Sweet has only had 2 games up against AFL listed players who regularly play in the ruck this season. Small sample size I know.
VFL R10- Moyle 32 ho Sweet 21 ho
VFL R7- Briggs 34 ho Sweet 22 ho

Having a look, probably the highest calibre ruckman he has won the hitouts against in the VFL this season is the aforementioned Crossley.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Other than destroying 20 year old top up types or guys like Miller from the Tigers when there first 3 rucks are injured or playing AFL, what is the evidence that Sweet is good at winning hitouts?

In his 11 AFL games he has won the hitouts twice. Once up against Reeves 32-21 and the other time against Caleb Graham, a 195cm makeshift ruck when all the other Suns were injured.

Legit question. I watch a bit of VFL but not heaps. Wondering if I am missing something with Sweet's ruckwork.

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

All the talk of taps is a diversion. Ruck is probably the most physical position in the team and we play one of our least physical players there, it carries through the team and the results are showing.

[hujsh]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

All the talk of taps is a diversion. Ruck is probably the most physical position in the team and we play one of our least physical players there, it carries through the team and the results are showing.

Can we recruit that guy that plays the Mountain in Game of Thrones then? He probably won't get a touch or a hitout but he seems real physical

[JanLorMill]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Can we recruit that guy that plays the Mountain in Game of Thrones then? He probably won't get a touch or a hitout but he seems real physical

Yes that’s what I meant. Haha

[mjp]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

110 posts about Jordan Sweet...surely a sign of the apocalypse!

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

110 posts about Jordan Sweet...surely a sign of the apocalypse!

....in a day.

I kind of view this as quarantine.

[hujsh]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Yes that’s what I meant. Haha

Look, it's hard to engage seriously with the topic. The best evidence we have for why Sweet, who there's not much evdience of him being a better tap ruckman than English, should be our ruckman is really just vibes. But there are few posters who are really frustrated with English that are looking for any possible alternative when the evidence we have now is that there just isn't one.

I don't mean to shield English from criticism. The last two games I've watched (Port and GC) he has been objectively poor and beaten. But the game I didn't watch both coaching groups had him as our most influential player. How are we meant to accept losing that because of a few random statistics? Okay we won more with Sweet in the team in 2021 or whatever but the VFL team is 4-6 with him in it so maybe we can accept he just come to terms with the idea it's maybe not the driving force behind those wins? Maybe we have to at a certain point realise the team and the game changes every year and just trying to replicate a specific aspect of a specific period of time where we were doing quite well is not the instant ticket to success it's hyped up to be?

I wonder if part of this specific issue people have with English is that it's much easier to compare him to the opposition ruckman as opposed to say two mids or two forwards? It's the only real position left where you can point to a clear and constant contest between two players that doesn't' switch around. If such clear comparisons were available for more players on the list I wonder how much we'd criticise them? What would Bont's opponents stat sheets look like over the last month compared to him? I daresay it wouldn't be that great.

[hujsh]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

110 posts about Jordan Sweet...surely a sign of the apocalypse!

The apocalypse happened already partway through 2021, now it's just purgatory we're all experiencing.

[Danjul]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Other than destroying 20 year old top up types or guys like Miller from the Tigers when there first 3 rucks are injured or playing AFL, what is the evidence that Sweet is good at winning hitouts?

In his 11 AFL games he has won the hitouts twice. Once up against Reeves 32-21 and the other time against Caleb Graham, a 195cm makeshift ruck when all the other Suns were injured.

Legit question. I watch a bit of VFL but not heaps. Wondering if I am missing something with Sweet's ruckwork.

Good points.

Reeves beat English 43-30 for hitouts a couple of weeks ago and Hawks won the clearances, 7-2 to advantage in the first half I think the screen said. Reeves also had more disposals over the whole game. 15-11. Yes, English had only 11 disposals. Happens.

So Reeves got twice as many hitouts against English as he does against Sweet.

And Sweet has had less continuity at AFL level than JOD. Most consecutive games last season was 3. He will not improve in the seconds, isn?t that the logic behind JOD getting selected after 4 disposals.

In 2021, when he should have been developing in a winning team, he averaged more hitouts per game than Martin.

Hope this helps.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Good points.

Reeves beat English 43-30 for hitouts a couple of weeks ago and Hawks won the clearances, 7-2 to advantage in the first half I think the screen said. Reeves also had more disposals over the whole game. 15-11. Yes, English had only 11 disposals. Happens.

So Reeves got twice as many hitouts against English as he does against Sweet.

And Sweet has had less continuity at AFL level than JOD. Most consecutive games last season was 3. He will not improve in the seconds, isn?t that the logic behind JOD getting selected after 4 disposals.

In 2021, when he should have been developing in a winning team, he averaged more hitouts per game than Martin.

Hope this helps.

So the point is we should get Reeves!

[hujsh]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

I done messed up yall. Ignore me

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

I made an error. He beat Sweet beat Reeves 32-31.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

I made an error. He beat Sweet beat Reeves 32-31.

Vote for a Rocco ban or for why isn't Schache mentioned more?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Sweet Jesus: Should Jordan Sweet be our first ruck?

Vote for a Rocco ban or for why isn't Schache mentioned more?