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  • Sedat
    Hall of Fame
    • Sep 2007
    • 11603

    #181
    Re: The Bald Eagle

    Originally posted by Mofra
    a. He is scrutinised far more harshly than any other player on the list, simply because his first season did not match his reputation. A player's first season reputation tends to follow them for the rest of their career, justified or not. I would expect some of the consternation comes from the fact that few players could survive the scrutiny that Nathan is placed under with their reputation intact.

    b. Which player that is not currently in the side could perform better? I can't see one, without knowing how an untried player will perform at AFL level.
    Mofra, just a slight correction - Eagle first came to the club in 2000 and was actually OK in his first season. He then followed up in 2001 and 2002 with poor seasons (noteworthy exception was in one game against the Cats at the Dome when he kicked 7 goals from full forward, as one of the dozen or so short-arse midfielders used by Wallace as full forwards at some point in his coaching career - sorry I digress), and there came a point halfway through season 2003 that he was destined for football oblivion until the penny finally dropped and he turned it all around in the 2nd half of that miserable year. Since 2004, he has frequently wavered from excellent to very poor.

    But the one constant with Eagle throughout his career is that he hasn't been able to deliver any standout performances in the really important games. He isn't the lone ranger by any stretch on that front, but for a player getting close to 250 career games, this is the one glaring omission from the Eagleton CV. There's no denying he has had a very solid AFL career but it has probably fallen short of fan expectations unfairly or otherwise.

    Unfortunately for Eagle, his arrival at the club came at the expense of 2 much-loved former Dogs in Powell and Montgomery - not to mention the perception that it was outside flash replacing inside grunt. I reckon from day one, Eagle has been up against it to fully win over the Bulldog faithful as a result.

    Seeing as this thread is about the Eagle in 2009, he has been genuinely poor in only 1 out of the 5 games, and would probably be top 10 in the B&F count to date - he's ranged from good to excellent in the other 4 games so credit to him so far in season 2009. There are plenty of poorer performing players out of our experienced group in 2009 than Eagleton.
    "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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    • ledge
      Hall of Fame
      • Dec 2007
      • 14551

      #182
      Re: The Bald Eagle

      Another way of looking at it is.. Powell and Monty havent played 250 games and are gone now by a few years, Eagle is still going about, thats got to mean something to his credit.
      I liked both Monty and Powell but long term Eagle will probably go down as the better player as he has lasted a lot longer time.
      Bring back the biff

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      • Mofra
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 15116

        #183
        Re: The Bald Eagle

        Originally posted by Sedat
        Unfortunately for Eagle, his arrival at the club came at the expense of 2 much-loved former Dogs in Powell and Montgomery - not to mention the perception that it was outside flash replacing inside grunt. I reckon from day one, Eagle has been up against it to fully win over the Bulldog faithful as a result.
        Cheers for correction, I believe this point you raised is a very good one - if a team needs to give up too much to obtain a player, they will be marked more harshly. Jonathan Hay would be a prime example, perhaps Ottens in his first year at the Cats.
        Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 15116

          #184
          Re: The Bald Eagle

          Originally posted by ledge
          Another way of looking at it is.. Powell and Monty havent played 250 games and are gone now by a few years, Eagle is still going about, thats got to mean something to his credit.
          I liked both Monty and Powell but long term Eagle will probably go down as the better player as he has lasted a lot longer time.
          Might be debatable on the Monty front; premiership aside, he did snag an AA jumper one year didn't he?
          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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          • Sedat
            Hall of Fame
            • Sep 2007
            • 11603

            #185
            Re: The Bald Eagle

            Originally posted by Mofra
            Might be debatable on the Monty front; premiership aside, he did snag an AA jumper one year didn't he?
            Was B&F one year for Port as well. He ended up having a stellar career at Alberton, which IMO is comfortably ahead of Eagle's career at the Dogs - but Eagle still has time on his side to reduce the difference. A solid contribution by the Eagle to a premiership in 2009 will just about square the ledger.
            "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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            • AndrewP6
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2009
              • 8142

              #186
              Re: The Bald Eagle

              Originally posted by Mantis
              Sorry to all for my persistent de-grading of Eagleton's performances. I will heed the advice of posters who opinions I respect and stop posting on this player as I get the feeling my views and posts are becoming tiresome.

              Lets hope that the team performs well this week and that Nathan performs his role in the team at such level that is satisfactory to all.

              Cheers

              Mantis.
              Well said Mantis...
              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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              • Missing-Dog
                WOOF Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 3102

                #187
                Re: The Bald Eagle

                Time to get the Bald Eagle chat going....

                I thought that he tried hard today, but we need him to give us some more attsck. That is more kicks into forward 50 and goals. Basicallly more of what hes good at!
                But like most of the team is he and they doing enough?

                The kick across goals to Reiwoldt in 1st and the hanball on wing to Aker later on when he had 2 players on him was the low light

                Highlight - 1st goal,- good strength and finish

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  #188
                  Re: The Bald Eagle

                  Originally posted by Rance Fan
                  Time to get the Bald Eagle chat going....

                  I thought that he tried hard today, but we need him to give us some more attsck. That is more kicks into forward 50 and goals. Basicallly more of what hes good at!
                  But like most of the team is he and they doing enough?

                  The kick across goals to Reiwoldt in 1st and the hanball on wing to Aker later on when he had 2 players on him was the low light

                  Highlight - 1st goal,- good strength and finish
                  Agree would love more from him. Problem for the club is, there are bigger and more important passengers who are performing even less.

                  Take his leg speed away, who is the next fastest across the ground at the moment (conisdering some players are coming back from injury). We could do with an extra outside runner at the moment.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Mantis
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 15547

                    #189
                    Re: The Bald Eagle

                    Originally posted by 42-C-3
                    We know the club love him and he will be selected. So lets go with that assumption for this week.

                    I agree playing forward is not ideal.

                    What about playing him loose man in defense ala Gilbee/Hodge (By no way am i suggesting he is as good as them). But if he can run, break lines and hit targets, occasionally get down for a shot and release Gilbe downfield.

                    What are your thoughts. I can't ever really recall using him like that. Otherwise how would you use him, again knowing that despite much opinion, he will be selected next week?
                    I have taken GVG's advice and moved this discussion to the appropriate thread.

                    I really don't know what role he can fill. His field kicking is poor... I'm not making that up either... It is. I am racking my brain to find out what he adds to the side and I don't know. Maybe his tackling... as I have been told he's a good tackler.

                    He spent all his time in the forwardline hanging out the side of packs or in front of packs waiting for the easy goal or possession. He was out of position when the ball went the other way so didn't give much (if any) forward pressure.

                    As I have previously stated it looks like it's going to be a tough year for one of the only passionate supporters of the Bulldogs who is absolutely miffed at what value Eagleton adds to the team.

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      #190
                      Re: The Bald Eagle

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      I have taken GVG's advice and moved this discussion to the appropriate thread.

                      I really don't know what role he can fill. His field kicking is poor... I'm not making that up either... It is. I am racking my brain to find out what he adds to the side and I don't know. Maybe his tackling... as I have been told he's a good tackler.

                      He spent all his time in the forwardline hanging out the side of packs or in front of packs waiting for the easy goal or possession. He was out of position when the ball went the other way so didn't give much (if any) forward pressure.

                      As I have previously stated it looks like it's going to be a tough year for one of the only passionate supporters of the Bulldogs who is absolutely miffed at what value Eagleton adds to the team.
                      Do you think he can fill the role as mentioned above?

                      I for one dont begrudge you. My players i've supported over the past few years were Streety, Sam Power (my favourite ever player) and our full forward Tim. I also had a fling of interest in Jessse Wells for 3 seconds too. Nothing silly like Doogs Drougs or the like though
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • hujsh
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 11961

                        #191
                        Re: The Bald Eagle

                        I don't know what he adds to the team anymore.
                        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                        • Rocket Science
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 4870

                          #192
                          Re: The Bald Eagle

                          He was rolled gold crap today. For his few contributions he was AWOL too often, and variously cost us when he wasn't. Comfortably his worst game this season.

                          Suppose one should sugarcoat that by saying he had 21 mates.
                          BORDERLINE FLYING

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                          • Mantis
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 15547

                            #193
                            Re: The Bald Eagle

                            Originally posted by 42-C-3
                            Do you think he can fill the role as mentioned above?
                            No.

                            He isn't courageous in the air like Hodge.

                            He doesn't kick as well as Gilbee or Hodge.

                            Seriously I don't think we should be trying to re-create a role for a 30 yo player who has lost most of his 2 biggest weapons - pace & long accurate kicking.

                            Let Easton Wood or Brennan Stack have a go at the role you described.

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34289

                              #194
                              Re: The Bald Eagle

                              Originally posted by Rocket Science
                              He was rolled gold crap today. For his few contributions he was AWOL too often, and variously cost us when he wasn't. Comfortably his worst game this season.

                              Suppose one should sugarcoat that by saying he had 21 mates.
                              I agree there are lots of passengers. But in times past the argumen was use Farren or Jordy to run the lines in his place. Who have we got ready to offer more than what he offers for the job Eade beleives he does very well.

                              That and he always seems to be first mentioned. I think there are bigger names who should be looked at for a road trip to Frankston.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34289

                                #195
                                Re: The Bald Eagle

                                Originally posted by Mantis
                                No.

                                He isn't courageous in the air like Hodge.

                                He doesn't kick as well as Gilbee or Hodge.

                                Seriously I don't think we should be trying to re-create a role for a 30 yo player who has lost most of his 2 biggest weapons - pace & long accurate kicking.

                                Let Easton Wood or Brennan Stack have a go at the role you described.
                                Ok. Does Wood have the body and does Stack have the aerobic capacity. I'd say no.

                                As per another thread i'd love to see what Stack can do, i think he is one of these players that lifts with the comp. But pound for pound, i fail to see who can replace him.

                                Then the neext loaded question is: He is on the Vets list if we want him. Do we go a rookie or keep him? - This is the real emotionaless answer i'm after.
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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