stats, stats, stats

[stefoid]

Two games in, pro-stats have their stats available.

Heres the two ones I like most - play maker: which basically identifies who starts a chain of posessions resulting in a shot on goal (either by getting the ball, or a free or doing something that strips the opposition of the ball)

and scoring involvement: which means being involved in that chain of possessions somewhere along the line.


I also think turnovers are a good stat to look at. We all know what a turnover is.

play maker leaderboard:

1 Thomas Liberatore 3.0
2 Callan Ward 2.5
3 Robert Murphy 2.0
3 Jordan Roughead 2.0
5 Benjamin Hudson 1.5
5 Adam Cooney 1.5


scor inv leaderboard:

1 Matthew Boyd 5.0
2 Ryan Griffen 4.5
3 Jordan Roughead 4.0
3 Callan Ward 4.0
3 Thomas Liberatore 4.0
6 Adam Cooney 3.5
6 Daniel Cross 3.5
8 Robert Murphy 3.0

turnover 'leader' board
1 Ryan Griffen 8.5
2 Matthew Boyd 8.0
2 Josh Hill 8.0
2 Adam Cooney 8.0
5 Shaun Higgins 7.5
6 Benjamin Hudson 7.0
7 Daniel Cross 6.5

scoring assists leaderboard - that crucial last disposal to the guy who has the shot.
1 Daniel Giansiracusa 2.0
1 Shaun Higgins 2.0
1 Jordan Roughead 2.0
1 Thomas Liberatore 2.0
1 Jarrad Grant 2.0
1 Ryan Griffen 2.0

[LostDoggy]

Re: stats, stats, stats

So effectively Griff is -2 ?

Roughy high up on the positive boards from one game

[stefoid]

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Depends how many of grifs turnovers resulted in opposition having shots on goal. For a primarily outside player, he just has to do better under pressure.

Libba very effective. I wonder how much improvement he has left in him? Course he is yet to be tagged.

[Mofra]

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Libba very effective. I wonder how much improvement he has left in him? Course he is yet to be tagged.

Very surprised at Libba's score, considering some of his disposals are quick kicks from the bottom of packs. He just seems body-size and a bit of cardio away from elite status.

[LostDoggy]

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He just seems body-size and a bit of cardio away from elite status.

And its great that his 'downsides' aren't setbacks, just something to work on to become even better

[AndrewP6]

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Depends how many of grifs turnovers resulted in opposition having shots on goal. For a primarily outside player, he just has to do better under pressure.

Libba very effective. I wonder how much improvement he has left in him? Course he is yet to be tagged.

Given he's only played 2 games and is only 18, I'd say 'a fair bit' - which is exciting.

[Bornadog]

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The stats are all wrong just ask Cyberdoggie

[Missing Dog]

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they did a survey and discovered that 45% of stats are wrong 76% of the time

[LostDoggy]

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Very surprised at Libba's score, considering some of his disposals are quick kicks from the bottom of packs. He just seems body-size and a bit of cardio away from elite status.

Pretty bloody exciting really.

[ratsmac]

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I would like to know if a turnover is an errant handball or kick, or is it also being tackled whilst trying to bust out of congestion, because that would explain that list of players having so many. It's understandable that you might cough up the ball in a tight situation trying to release a team mate. Although some we know are just terrible disposes of the footy at times.

These are good stats, but they'll be interesting reading to see who drops out of some of these lists in the big games against tougher opposition.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I would like to know if a turnover is an errant handball or kick, or is it also being tackled whilst trying to bust out of congestion, because that would explain that list of players having so many. It's understandable that you might cough up the ball in a tight situation trying to release a team mate. Although some we know are just terrible disposes of the footy at times.

These are good stats, but they'll be interesting reading to see who drops out of some of these lists in the big games against tougher opposition.

The problem with Stats is that it is hard to really cover contingencies.

Is it a turnover when somewhere clears from the backline to an empty forward area and the ball is gathered by the opposition?

Should it be a turnover if it passed to a player on the lead who either drops the ball or gets spoilt. Is any weighting given to the degree of advantage afforded by the delivery. Some absolute shanks get to a team mate, but a well executed pass can be thwarted by good opposition play.

It would be better to know if they chose the better or best option and executed the skill.

On the stats listed Roughead is ahead of Hudson in relation to the team scoring. We all know this is clearly not the case.

[Desipura]

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The problem with Stats is that it is hard to really cover contingencies.

Is it a turnover when somewhere clears from the backline to an empty forward area and the ball is gathered by the opposition?

Should it be a turnover if it passed to a player on the lead who either drops the ball or gets spoilt. Is any weighting given to the degree of advantage afforded by the delivery. Some absolute shanks get to a team mate, but a well executed pass can be thwarted by good opposition play.

It would be better to know if they chose the better or best option and executed the skill.

On the stats listed Roughead is ahead of Hudson in relation to the team scoring. We all know this is clearly not the case.

Yet you used stats to back up your argument about Minson.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Yet you used stats to back up your argument about Minson.

That is being selective Desi.

My views on Will do not rely on stats, but I did quote some that show Will compares better than most believe.

The real value that Will offers won't show up with stats. He brings an aggression at the contest that tires opponents and you won't find a stat for that.

[1eyedog]

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That is being selective Desi.

My views on Will do not rely on stats, but I did quote some that show Will compares better than most believe.

The real value that Will offers won't show up with stats. He brings an aggression at the contest that tires opponents and you won't find a stat for that.

A propensity to give away free kicks at crucial stages more like it.

[LostDoggy]

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That is being selective Desi.

My views on Will do not rely on stats, but I did quote some that show Will compares better than most believe.

The real value that Will offers won't show up with stats. He brings an aggression at the contest that tires opponents and you won't find a stat for that.

And a fist from the ruck as good as a kick!