stats, stats, stats

[EasternWest]

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What outside players? All of Griffen, Cooney and Higgins are first and foremost contested football players. This is a tremendously overrated statistic anyway. Having watched every game this year I can comfortably say that Griffen has been far more effective than he has been in any of his other midfield seasons.

I wouldn't think Higgins is a contested football player. Not knocking him, but to me he looks more dangerous in open play.

[Scorlibo]

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I wouldn't think Higgins is a contested football player. Not knocking him, but to me he looks more dangerous in open play.

When he was drafted, he was drafted as an inside midfielder. He soon impressed with his kicking and was given an outside job in order to play a role within the team, but he remains at his best an elite operator through heavy traffic and he now needs to assume the position he was drafted under. Higgins is more an inside midfielder than Cross is.

[Scorlibo]

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and far more effective with the ball than anyone else going through the midfield.

I would prefer Griff have it once then Cross have it 2 or 3 times, even allowing for the so called efficiency stats.

I agree, but not because Cross is inefficient, but because he doesn't look to be damaging with his disposals.

[Bornadog]

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Some stats on rankings to round 14

Team Ranking

* 5th for tackles
* 6th for clearances
* 9th Contested possessions
* 4th in 1st possession
* 13th in kick to advantage
*14th for tackles i50
* 5th in centre bounce clearances
*6th in turnovers

Players

* Boyd 1st in disposals, clearances, 2nd in 1st poss, 9th in Cont poss and 3rd Unc poss
* Picken 14 in tackles
* Murphy 8th in R50, 3rd in Kicks to adv, 5th in Play on and 3rd in run and bounce.
* Morris 5th in 1percenters
* Sherman 9th in scoring ass

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Some stats on rankings to round 14

Team Ranking

* 5th for tackles

*14th for tackles i50

those 2 are very interesting. We are one of the better sides in tackling yet one of the worst for tackling I50. This is a HUGE indicator that our forwards are not doing enough! Yes we have known this but why hasn't it been fixed?

[stefoid]

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Id say it has more to to with the gameplan and the quality of our I50s than the specific 6 forwards.

Remember, a forward press is pretty much every player in the side running into their own forward half. Who are the kings of this? eagles, pies, blues. And they make up 3 of the top 5 I50 tacklers.

The cats on the other hand, who are unbeaten on top of the ladder, are 13th for tackles inside 50.

The other 2 sides in the top 5 for T50s are sydney and freo, neither of which is going to threaten for the flag this year.

I dont think many of our players, including the 6 forwards, are lazy defensively. I do think we are doing a pretty good imitation of headless chooks out there on the field however.

[stefoid]

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If you want to look at stats, we are pretty good at 1st hands on the ball, clearances, rebounding the ball out of our defensive 50, tackling...

But we suck at actually getting the ball through the midfield into our F50 and scoring. We are 10 inside 50s off the pace, and the quality of those I50s is lacking.

Our gameplan relies way too much on kicking long to packs, and when we do kick long we seem to have forgotten how to kick long to advantage - AND we are 20-30 uncontested marks off the pace of the top teams.

We have quality players, but our system is shot. Theoretically, this is something we should be able to turn around within 12 months.

[Bornadog]

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Looking at the stats for Saturday, we won most of the key stats that you need to win a game yet we lost by 49 points.

Contested P - 197 to 143

Clearances - 45 to 42

Tackles inside 50 14 to 8

Inside 50's 68 to 60

However we were beaten on rebound 50's, Turnovers, and total tackles.

Just goes to show stats do lie.

[Mantis]

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Looking at the stats for Saturday, we won most of the key stats that you need to win a game yet we lost by 49 points.

Contested P - 197 to 143

Clearances - 45 to 42

Tackles inside 50 14 to 8

Inside 50's 68 to 60

However we were beaten on rebound 50's, Turnovers, and total tackles.

Just goes to show stats do lie.

What were the stats for uncontested marks?

At qtr time it was almost 40 to Essendon and less than 10 for us.

[Bornadog]

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What were the stats for uncontested marks?

At qtr time it was almost 40 to Essendon and less than 10 for us.

Huge difference in uncontested marks, which obviously came from the rebound 50's. taking the ball from one end to the other.

[Mantis]

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Huge difference in uncontested marks, which obviously came from the rebound 50's. taking the ball from one end to the other.

It was also as a result of some very slack manning up, they burnt us on the counter attack... mostly due to our stupid turnovers.

[Bornadog]

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It was also as a result of some very slack manning up, they burnt us on the counter attack... mostly due to our stupid turnovers.

Yes thats right, that is the rebound 50's stat.

[LostDoggy]

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It was also as a result of some very slack manning up, they burnt us on the counter attack... mostly due to our stupid turnovers.

I've been reflecting on this -- I agree that it was frustrating seeing their players spreading from their defence with all the freedom in the world, but I don't think it's as simple as slack manning up. Our mids were all in the forward 50 busting a gut to keep the ball in.. I remember Boydy (both our favourite whipping boy for being a lazy man-upper) diving in at players' feet repeatedly to attempt smothers, but when the ball spills loose and the Bombers manage to get it out of their 50 his player would be free as they are spreading forward as he is trying to pick himself up and run back.

It was crazy kamikaze stuff -- we probably don't really have the balance between a forward press and the rest of the field stuff right at the moment.

With our 'stupid turnovers' there was quite a few of those, but some of the turnovers just came from just bombing it into their forward 50 and giving possession up.

[SlimPickens]

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We probably don't really have the balance between a forward press and the rest of the field stuff right at the moment.

Which is the big concern, this had to be our focus coming into this season. Our inability to perform and master a forward press and also our inability to work our way through it has been part of the reason for our fall back to the pack this year. It's also the reason i feel Rocket may struggle to hold his position next year.

[stefoid]

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Looking at the stats for Saturday, we won most of the key stats that you need to win a game yet we lost by 49 points.

Contested P - 197 to 143

Clearances - 45 to 42

Tackles inside 50 14 to 8

Inside 50's 68 to 60

However we were beaten on rebound 50's, Turnovers, and total tackles.

Just goes to show stats do lie.

So obviously we won our share of the ball, but we didnt use it well.