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[LostDoggy]

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So obviously we won our share of the ball, but we didnt use it well.

No surprise there -- our ball magnet midfield would probably have the worst kicking skills of any team. Hudson, Crossy, Boydy, Ward, Libba and Griff can all win the ball, but every single one of them has middling to poor skills by foot in traffic (with apologies to Libba, who is two-footed and a beautiful short kick but only an okay long kick).

[Bornadog]

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No surprise there -- our ball magnet midfield would probably have the worst kicking skills of any team. Hudson, Crossy, Boydy, Ward, Libba and Griff can all win the ball, but every single one of them has middling to poor skills by foot in traffic (with apologies to Libba, who is two-footed and a beautiful short kick but only an okay long kick).

Libba was at 80% efficiency for his 20 disposals.

[LostDoggy]

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Libba was at 80% efficiency for his 20 disposals.

He's a beauty isn't he. Just class in traffic.

[Greystache]

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I've been reflecting on this -- I agree that it was frustrating seeing their players spreading from their defence with all the freedom in the world, but I don't think it's as simple as slack manning up. Our mids were all in the forward 50 busting a gut to keep the ball in.. I remember Boydy (both our favourite whipping boy for being a lazy man-upper) diving in at players' feet repeatedly to attempt smothers, but when the ball spills loose and the Bombers manage to get it out of their 50 his player would be free as they are spreading forward as he is trying to pick himself up and run back.

It was crazy kamikaze stuff -- we probably don't really have the balance between a forward press and the rest of the field stuff right at the moment.

With our 'stupid turnovers' there was quite a few of those, but some of the turnovers just came from just bombing it into their forward 50 and giving possession up.

If we actually set our forward press up properly Boyd wouldn't be inside our forward 50m trying to hold it in, he'd be further up the ground so his opponent wouldn't be free to burn us on the rebound. Our setup is a shambles, mostly because we're trying to implement it on the run, basically because we realised our plans weren't going to hold up this season and are now trying to copy what other teams are doing.

[Sedat]

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Our setup is a shambles, mostly because we're trying to implement it on the run, basically because we realised our plans weren't going to hold up this season and are now trying to copy what other teams are doing.

With our skill set in the midfield, we'd argubly be more successful adopting the Sydney stoppage shuffle circa 2005-6. We'd be burnt on the rebound far less and it would play to our contested possession strengths. Butt ugly to watch every week though

[LostDoggy]

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With our skill set in the midfield, we'd argubly be more successful adopting the Sydney stoppage shuffle circa 2005-6. We'd be burnt on the rebound far less and it would play to our contested possession strengths. Butt ugly to watch every week though

I've been saying this for three years.

The prelims we've looked best in (and closest to winning) have been the ones where we've been able to shut the game down and make it a low-scoring arm wrestle. With our skillset I would back us against anyone in that type of game, but make it a big ground runaround and we'll kick the ball away most of the day and not have the legspeed to keep up with faster teams (which is everyone these days) anyway.

We can still clearly match anyone in the contested possession stats (won them in a game we lost by 50 points), but what Sydney 2005/6 does that we don't is keeping possession as much as possible for 4 quarters. We try to do the gun and run style that we just don't have the personnel for anymore and just end up giving the ball away ad nauseum.

[Greystache]

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With our skill set in the midfield, we'd argubly be more successful adopting the Sydney stoppage shuffle circa 2005-6. We'd be burnt on the rebound far less and it would play to our contested possession strengths. Butt ugly to watch every week though

Yep, I've had the same opinion as you for some time Sedat. Not only were we training to play a game style that's redundant, but is also completely unsuited to our playing list. Some of our players are good kicks when under no pressure, but horrible when under the pump, so why in God's name do we then instruct them to play on at all costs? If we actually hung onto the ball and tried to spot up players under no pressure then our kicking efficiency might not be one of the worst in the AFL.

Sydney's game style might have been ugly, but in my opinion playing an attacking style we can't execute is even worse to watch.

[chef]

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He's a beauty isn't he. Just class in traffic.

On a sidetracked note, I hope they give him number 6 next year.

[the banker]

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Yep, I've had the same opinion as you for some time Sedat. Not only were we training to play a game style that's redundant, but is also completely unsuited to our playing list. Some of our players are good kicks when under no pressure, but horrible when under the pump, so why in God's name do we then instruct them to play on at all costs? If we actually hung onto the ball and tried to spot up players under no pressure then our kicking efficiency might not be one of the worst in the AFL.

Sydney's game style might have been ugly, but in my opinion playing an attacking style we can't execute is even worse to watch.

The stats are pretty damning of our game style and its execution giving us such a bad result. I think we look chaotic at times a bit of crash or crash through with no secure game plan to help us control the tempo. Teams get away from us too easily.

This post and the general feeling in this thread, IMO calls for a change. I have been a big fan of Rocket and he has been a fantastic coach for us, but all good things come to an end. I think we need a fresh approach. Rocket and Melbourne look a great match.

But who for the Dogs?

[stefoid]

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Maybe Im wrong, because I havent been able to see a lot of footy this year, but my impression is we dont do what Sydney did when they played that style which was bring the ball up the ground with repeated short passing to retain posession. Unless there is someone obviously free, we tend to kick long and wide to a contest.

But yeah, the difference between when Murphy is running out of defence and someone else is immense in the opportunities it tends to create. These days you need 3 or 4 Murphys playing in defence to opent he game up for your side. Loosing Harbrow hurt us more than we realize I reckon.

Howard and Tutt look to be just what the doctor ordered in that regard, nice forward thinking by the club -- they cant really come on quick enough, can they?

Its also why I like the sound of this McKenzie guy from the other thread - a smart player who can read the play well, play in defence or midfield and an elite kick off either foot under pressure? bring it on!

Dont despair guys, we can do a 'west coast' next year if we do the right things during the preseason.

[LongWait]

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The stats are pretty damning of our game style and its execution giving us such a bad result. I think we look chaotic at times a bit of crash or crash through with no secure game plan to help us control the tempo. Teams get away from us too easily.

This post and the general feeling in this thread, IMO calls for a change. I have been a big fan of Rocket and he has been a fantastic coach for us, but all good things come to an end. I think we need a fresh approach. Rocket and Melbourne look a great match.

But who for the Dogs?

Almost certain to be Leon Cameron if Rocket is not re-appointed.

[chef]

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Almost certain to be Leon Cameron if Rocket is not re-appointed.

I would be happy with him or Neeld.

[Mantis]

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Almost certain to be Leon Cameron if Rocket is not re-appointed.

It is?

No thanks.

[the banker]

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Neeld had good poise on Insiders last night. But not up to speed on his coaching attributes and footy philosophy. Can someone enlighten?

[Maddog37]

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It is?

No thanks.

Why?