Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Mofra]

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As insurance re Grant (and Cordy and Jones) I am wondering if our Pick 41 may end up with Geelong for Mitch Brown, and we land Gumbleton for less than that.

What do people see in Mitch Brown?

My view may be off, but all I see is Gumbleton with half the talent.

[Bornadog]

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We should keep all our picks in the top 50 and only trade if it improves our position. I would like to see us draft 5 new kids in that top 50

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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^^^^^^^this

Yes.

[LostDoggy]

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What do people see in Mitch Brown?

My view may be off, but all I see is Gumbleton with half the talent.

I think he's kicked a bag or two n the VFL, was a bit light, has been injured, and has been kept out of a strong Geelong team. Doesn't look too bad to me but I have only seen him play a little. Also KPFs take a while. But I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Djerkurra and Moles.

But boiled down, given McCartney would know him, I would back him either way on this. Same goes for Gumbleton.

[mjp]

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Grant wont see the outside of the gym for the next 4 months, unless it is to do 10km time trials dragging a monster truck tyre.

We'll know one way or the other next year, thats for sure.

Awesome. We have a player who has a speed advantage over every opponent he comes up against...therefore we should lock him in a gym and make him stronger, less agile and slower.

How about recognising he will never be a 'true' key forward and let him play a complimentary role where his natural gifts can be of real benefit too us???

Grant lacks consistency of effort (during games), not size.

[Ozza]

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Awesome. We have a player who has a speed advantage over every opponent he comes up against...therefore we should lock him in a gym and make him stronger, less agile and slower.

How about recognising he will never be a 'true' key forward and let him play a complimentary role where his natural gifts can be of real benefit too us???

Grant lacks consistency of effort (during games), not size.

I agree with this.

His speed and good hands are his weapons. I'd just like to see him given a good run at playing close to goal. The way that all of the players invariably work all the way up into defence is very frustrating - but Grant is one who could take advantage of this with his speed getting him free out the back once we get the footy.

When I think of Grant's positives - I think about him taking 4 bounces running away from Collingwood midfielders a couple of years back. We should be using him on the 'fast break' (sorry to use a b'ball term) - and also his speed and hands as an inside 50 leading target IMO.

[Mofra]

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Agree with mjp - he's a very good small forward despite his height

[Charlie the Wonder Dog]

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I agree with this.

His speed and good hands are his weapons. I'd just like to see him given a good run at playing close to goal. The way that all of the players invariably work all the way up into defence is very frustrating - but Grant is one who could take advantage of this with his speed getting him free out the back once we get the footy.

When I think of Grant's positives - I think about him taking 4 bounces running away from Collingwood midfielders a couple of years back. We should be using him on the 'fast break' (sorry to use a b'ball term) - and also his speed and hands as an inside 50 leading target IMO.

Ahh I remember that day so vividly, us getting belted for three quarters, me and a mate standing amongst the hordes of collingwood ferals and Jarrad giving me a reason to yell and celebrate.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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mjp is spot on.

Not sure why we continually try to make Grant into something he's not.

He does need to improve his effort, but I wish we'd back him in as that quick 'small' forward rather than yell, scream and abuse him for not playing like Hawkins.

[1eyedog]

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Agree with mjp - he's a very good small forward despite his height

Yes agreed but he has the added ability at 6'4 to outmark the players he'll play on as a quick small forward.

Remarkable attributes really.

[Axe Man]

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Perhaps Grant would be better served trying to build an elite tank rather than worrying too much about bulk. This would enable him to play a sort of Nick Riewoldt like role, pushing up the ground and sprinting back into the open fifty and burning off his opponent in the process (not saying he would or could play the same as Riewoldt, only referring to his running patterns).

[always right]

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We have so many players of a similar ilk...with Dahlhaus and Griff probably the exceptions. Grant represents a type of player we are in short supply of so rather than give up on him and receive stuff all in return, I would like to see us perservere with him. He has unique attributes.

[LostDoggy]

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Cheers. Was a wise move by us not to go for the quick fix

Brad McKenzie is the type of player we should be going for IMO in this draft.

He is from SA and is an elite kick and North are looking for him to play the HB quarterback role.
They were quoted at the time as picking him up as he was the best kick in the draft. He is a bit light on but North have looked at him as a long term prospect. He went with Jack Ziebel over to Colorado to put more time into his physical development whilst Ziebel was suspended during the season.

I dont see him as a wasted pick or a quick fix. In some ways I wish we had picked him up instead of Clay Smith.

[Mofra]

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Perhaps Grant would be better served trying to build an elite tank rather than worrying too much about bulk. This would enable him to play a sort of Nick Riewoldt like role, pushing up the ground and sprinting back into the open fifty and burning off his opponent in the process (not saying he would or could play the same as Riewoldt, only referring to his running patterns).

That sounds like Sydney's forward structure - the double back and run onto the ball seemed to be a hallmark feature of their style of play.

[1eyedog]

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That sounds like Sydney's forward structure - the double back and run onto the ball seemed to be a hallmark feature of their style of play.

Pagan's paddock?