Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Just on Koby Stevens, it will be interesting to see who he actually nominates. The way I see it, for him, is as follows:

Essendon - The most attractive offer given they're a big club, with a big profile and membership base, added to the fact that they should be top 5 or 6 next year. However, if he's leaving WC due to lack of opportunity, why would it be any different at Essendon? He may break in, yes, but it's going to be pretty difficult.

St. Kilda - Second most attractive offer given their list is perhaps 'OK'. They need a replacement for Hayes, so it could be a selling point. Their midfield probably lacks depth, so he should get a fair amount of opportunity. However, he obviously won't dislodge Hayes, Montagna, Dal Santo, Jones and Armitage.

Bulldogs - Least attractive in terms of ladder positioning in the next 2 years and we're not a big club that attracts the spotlight. However, he'll likely get more opportunity here than the other two clubs. Boyd/Cross/Libba/Wallis/Smith are ahead of him, but our mantra is around contested ball, which we would have preached to him and that's his 'game'.

In my opinion, the dumb decision would be to choose Essendon. Personally, I think he'll choose St. Kilda.

[jeemak]

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I really don't understand why we're worrying about developing Grant in a specific role. When I look back upon all of the posts about him it's clear he has no attributes that pigeon hole him in a specific role within the side.

Our club is screaming out for a utility that can play in multiple positions forward of the ball. He is the only player on our list (apart from Murphy, and maybe Higgins) that has shown any diversity in his game as a forward, the rest are all very much type cast, unless they go into the middle for a spell.

Let's just let him develop his strength and his tank in equal measures. The only thing he'll be elite in once he develops is taking advantage of a miss-match against a slow or a short backman. The only way he'll get to that leve isl if he improves all areas of his fitness, and smarts.

We might want him to achieve more than that, but if he gets there he'll be extremely difficult to match up on. Teams that are successful have forwards that are difficult to match up on, and stretch defenses. Those forwards are worth their weight in gold.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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What do people see in Mitch Brown?

My view may be off, but all I see is Gumbleton with half the talent.

I saw him kick 7 v Willi. He looked alright that day.

[Ghost Dog]

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I really don't understand why we're worrying about developing Grant in a specific role. When I look back upon all of the posts about him it's clear he has no attributes that pigeon hole him in a specific role within the side.

Our club is screaming out for a utility that can play in multiple positions forward of the ball. He is the only player on our list (apart from Murphy, and maybe Higgins) that has shown any diversity in his game as a forward, the rest are all very much type cast, unless they go into the middle for a spell.

Let's just let him develop his strength and his tank in equal measures. The only thing he'll be elite in once he develops is taking advantage of a miss-match against a slow or a short backman. The only way he'll get to that leve isl if he improves all areas of his fitness, and smarts.

We might want him to achieve more than that, but if he gets there he'll be extremely difficult to match up on. Teams that are successful have forwards that are difficult to match up on, and stretch defenses. Those forwards are worth their weight in gold.

Who would you compare him to in the AFL? Players at other clubs I mean.

[Remi Moses]

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No to Mitch Brown ( haven't we had enough of Geelong's rubbish)
No to Stevens ( couldn't get a game ahead of the likes of Swift and Mcginnity)
Yes to Gumby ( only if its a pick in the 40's)

[jeemak]

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Who would you compare him to in the AFL? Players at other clubs I mean.

Nobody.

I think we have one of the most unique players on any list when it comes to Grant. I've seen him miss set shots just like everyone else, but I've also seen him slot goals with more composure when under pressure than every player on our list, and most players in the competition.

But I've also seen him burn off opponents, and make them look silly. I've also seen him look lackluster and lazy.

If we get him fit in all areas, and get his attitude right he'll be the best second or third option in the competition. I've not played AFL, but I've played top level Ammo football in all positions, and players like Grant really scared me the most out of any opponent I played on. Quick, tall, smart and skillful. Every defenders worst nightmare.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Nobody.

I think we have one of the most unique players on any list when it comes to Grant. I've seen him miss set shots just like everyone else, but I've also seen him slot goals with more composure when under pressure than every player on our list, and most players in the competition.

But I've also seen him burn off opponents, and make them look silly. I've also seen him look lackluster and lazy.

If we get him fit in all areas, and get his attitude right he'll be the best second or third option in the competition. I've not played AFL, but I've played top level Ammo football in all positions, and players like Grant really scared me the most out of any opponent I played on. Quick, tall, smart and skillful. Every defenders worst nightmare.

Great post jeemak. The above is exactly why I've always liked Grant. His potential is scary. Effort/application is the issue but I don't think we have handled him well since his 2010 season. He strikes me as a shy introverted character who needs plenty of support and confidence instilled into him. Not sure we have really done that recently.

[Desipura]

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I saw him kick 7 v Willi. He looked alright that day.

If he was playing on the former no 31 it does not count.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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Great post jeemak. The above is exactly why I've always liked Grant. His potential is scary. Effort/application is the issue but I don't think we have handled him well since his 2010 season. He strikes me as a shy introverted character who needs plenty of support and confidence instilled into him. Not sure we have really done that recently.

Agreed his problems are in that huge area of the six inches between those elfin ears. Ultimately only he can help himself, he must want to be in the game, make it his ball, for 100 minutes.
We would have a gem then.

[stefoid]

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Who would you compare him to in the AFL? Players at other clubs I mean.

garlett from the blues?

[LostDoggy]

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Does anyone know if Sherman and Vez are contracted for next year?

Both would appear to be 'on the outer' of BMac's plans, and it may well be that they get the chop sooner rather than later. Depends on their contractual status i guess?

[G-Mo77]

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Does anyone know if Sherman and Vez are contracted for next year?

Both would appear to be 'on the outer' of BMac's plans, and it may well be that they get the chop sooner rather than later. Depends on their contractual status i guess?

I think both are. I know Sherman has been shopped around, no news on him since that was stated a few weeks ago. I think he'll be with us in 2013.

[LostDoggy]

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Interesting developments:

1 - We may have offered Gumby a 2 yr deal

2 - Stevens has nominated us

3 - Young has gone to Pies, possibly creating a need at the Hawks for an outside runner.

Hope it pans out like:

1 - No more than current Pick 47 (which may drop up to 8 spots) for Gumby (would prefer PSD)

2 - Stevens - no more than Pick 41 (which again will drop as above) for Stevens

3 - We see how Hawks like the idea of getting a strong runner like Sherman for one of their later comp picks that they get for Murphy or Young - heck we helped them out with Lake maybe the good will created will help in getting Sherman over to them. May well need one of these comp picks to help with Stevens in particular

[Mofra]

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Gumbleton is pretty clearly worth pick 21 on potential. However in the real world his risk downside says a pick about mid 40's is all you would want to chance on him. Essendon has a hard and well earned reputation for grossly overvaluing their players in a trade situation. So you would not expect their desires and requirements to be even vaguely realistic.

Essendon are normally unrealistic and Gumby is a massive talent, but he is out of contract and that couldwork in our favour - except for the Dees having a pick before us in the PSD.

[Throughandthrough]

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Suggestions in today's paper that the Crows may need to trade out Andy Otten. I would seriously look at that, especially now that Lake has gone. They are also toying with cutting Tambling. Lol