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  • EasternWest
    Hall of Fame
    • Aug 2009
    • 10002

    Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

    Originally posted by Chops
    100-1.
    A younger ex senior afl coach to be 2ic to McCartney?
    You got any suggestions then Chops?

    I'd agree that Ayres would be a long shot, but he does tick a lot of boxes.
    "It's over. It's all over."

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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15322

      Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

      Originally posted by bornadog
      I still feel we need a really good experienced senior assistant, especially to help out on match day.
      Would be a good idea, two issues I see in our ability to pay and who could do that role?

      EasternWest suggested Ayres, I suggest he'd be on a bit of coin.

      Wallace would be good, but I get the feeling he may be hard to trust.
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • The Bulldogs Bite
        Hall of Fame
        • Dec 2006
        • 11246

        Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

        Skinner's case is an interesting one. A lot of commentators 'rate' him and speak of his potential quite highly. Dermott Brereton has praised Skinner on two occasions; once, in the pre-season, and the other when we played in Darwin. Whilst watching the Richmond game, I recall Commetti saying something along the lines of "once it clicks for him, he'll be a very damaging player". Likewise, Bruce has shared similar sentiments.

        Personally, I just don't see the appeal outside of a few flashy moves. Does he have talent? Yes, but it seems to suit suburban football moreso than AFL football. His hands are really poor and his endurance is still very average. Additionally, he isn't a clever player in terms of knowing when/where to run.

        If he was on Collingwood's list, then perhaps they could afford to gamble on 'developing' him but I am not so sure we are afforded the same luxury. With where our list is at, we need to cut deep this year and next. At best, I think he may get another year, but how much further can he improve? It's not as though he's an 18 year old kid.

        Perhaps the rookie list would be an option.
        W00F!

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        • EasternWest
          Hall of Fame
          • Aug 2009
          • 10002

          Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

          Originally posted by azabob
          Would be a good idea, two issues I see in our ability to pay and who could do that role?

          EasternWest suggested Ayres, I suggest he'd be on a bit of coin.

          Wallace would be good, but I get the feeling he may be hard to trust.
          I didn't suggest Ayres. I was replying to Chops to see if he had a suggestion.

          The more I think about Ayres though, the more his credentials stack up.

          I know nothing about him as a guy though, so I don't know if he'd be suitable or even interested.
          "It's over. It's all over."

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          • ledge
            Hall of Fame
            • Dec 2007
            • 14320

            Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

            I mentioned Ayres because he has experience , still coaches at a decent level successfully and seems to have a good footy brain for game day. Just a name I thought of straight away.
            Bring back the biff

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            • LostDoggy
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 8307

              Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

              Why would an ex senior coach that's any good want to be an assistant?
              It's a step down.
              If he was any good he'd go for a senior role itself or a football managers role.

              Besides that our structure is wrong. We have football manager with that's been in the afl for a while but has little coaching and no playing experience. Under him we have a first year coach with no afl playing experience.
              We want to slot someone in underneath them on a struggling clubs wage that out qualifies both?
              Last edited by LostDoggy; 24-08-2012, 06:49 AM.

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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15322

                Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                Originally posted by ledge
                I mentioned Ayres because he has experience , still coaches at a decent level successfully and seems to have a good footy brain for game day. Just a name I thought of straight away.
                Apologies EasternWest and Ledge!
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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                • EasternWest
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 10002

                  Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                  Originally posted by Chops
                  Why would an ex senior coach that's any good want to be an assistant?
                  It's a step down.
                  If he was any good he'd go for a senior role itself or a football managers role.

                  Besides that our structure is wrong. We have football manager with that's been in the afl for a while but has little coaching and no playing experience. Under him we have a first year coach with no afl playing experience.
                  We want to slot someone in underneath them on a struggling clubs wage that out qualifies both?
                  So do you have a suggestion?

                  Originally posted by azabob
                  Apologies EasternWest and Ledge!
                  No sweat.
                  "It's over. It's all over."

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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                    Originally posted by EasternWest
                    So do you have a suggestion?
                    No idea really, just with the current structure it makes it difficult to get an experienced assistant.

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                    • EasternWest
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 10002

                      Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                      Originally posted by Chops
                      No idea really, just with the current structure it makes it difficult to get an experienced assistant.
                      Fair enough. You make a few compelling points as to why Ayres wouldn't do it.
                      "It's over. It's all over."

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                      • stefoid
                        Senior Player
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 1846

                        Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                        On skinner: Its not only the question of 'will he make it?' Although I do think the answer to that is eventually...no. but even if it was eventually....yes. how long is that? next year? doutbful. the year after? every year that goes by is a year another kid could be on the list and showing significant improvement quickly, as the good ones tend to do.

                        Like, take this Tom Lee guy. Has been in the system before, 194cm, quick, good hands, kicking bags of goals in the WAFL. Two years younger than skinner at just 21. Wouldnt mind him on the list.

                        Sure Skinner doesnt have to come off to get Tom Lee on, but there are others out there, Im sure - guys like Dickson who just needed a chance and it will become evident very quickly whether they can play or not. What about this guy from the mug leagues who has kicked 500 goals a season for the last three years? Worth a shot as a 23yo rookie?

                        Mulligan was given a list spot because he was a 'project' who, although he hadnt shown anything, was big and athletic. Can you believe he has been on the list for 3 years? Because of that someone else who may have kicked on didnt get a chance, even if it would have been as a rookie.

                        No more projects!

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                        • kruder
                          Coaching Staff
                          • May 2011
                          • 3858

                          Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                          Did anyone see Sam May's from GCS performance on the weekend? Not sure if he would have been on anyones radar before that but gee he was impressive. It was only one game but he looked like he wanted the ball in his hands unlike our young forwards who seem mentally shot.

                          If Kurt goes to Brisbane rather than GCS then Day would be staying at the suns hence there maybe some scope. For me Grant, Jones and maybe even Minson are tradable commodities along with the second round pic and it would be nice to add another promising young player on top of the first round selections.

                          Caddy might be too similar to what we already have but we need to be scoping both new franchise teams for talent. Savage from Hawthorn still can't get a full game and If he doesn't play finals again then he would be on my radar as well.

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                          • Go_Dogs
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 10162

                            Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                            I'm very much in the camp of Skinner getting one more year. I'm not convinced he deserves it based on output, but based on his development and scope for improvement I think he's worth persevering with. We need players who can kick goals, and if Skinner can be good for a couple each week and continue to improve his motor he should become a solid player.
                            Have you heard Butters wants to come to the Dogs?

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                            • always right
                              WOOF Member
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 4189

                              Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                              Originally posted by Griffen#16
                              I'm very much in the camp of Skinner getting one more year. I'm not convinced he deserves it based on output, but based on his development and scope for improvement I think he's worth persevering with. We need players who can kick goals, and if Skinner can be good for a couple each week and continue to improve his motor he should become a solid player.
                              But is his scope for improvement greater than others on our list? Where will that improvement come from and why?
                              I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

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                              • Ghost Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 9404

                                Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

                                Originally posted by kruder
                                Did anyone see Sam May's from GCS performance on the weekend? Not sure if he would have been on anyones radar before that but gee he was impressive. It was only one game but he looked like he wanted the ball in his hands unlike our young forwards who seem mentally shot.

                                If Kurt goes to Brisbane rather than GCS then Day would be staying at the suns hence there maybe some scope. For me Grant, Jones and maybe even Minson are tradable commodities along with the second round pic and it would be nice to add another promising young player on top of the first round selections.

                                Caddy might be too similar to what we already have but we need to be scoping both new franchise teams for talent. Savage from Hawthorn still can't get a full game and If he doesn't play finals again then he would be on my radar as well.
                                What exactly are your thoughts on trading Minson? He's doing well in the team at the moment.
                                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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