Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Bornadog]

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You obviously prefer that everyone agree with each other BAD.

No I don't prefer everyone agrees, but in this case your assessment of him is way out.

Ok, you tell me if he is better than:

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee, who we all agree will most likely get the chop. Is he better than Campbell or Tom Hill?

Tell us who should be delisted ahead of Skinner?

When he shows something then we can all say he is doing well but at the moment, I think he should be playing for Willi reserves.

[Rocco Jones]

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Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee, who we all agree will most likely get the chop. Is he better than Campbell or Tom Hill?

Tell us who should be delisted ahead of Skinner?

I guess that's the question that needs to be answered if you rate Zeph and Panos for that manner. You have 4 who are gone. Even with one of Campbell or Hill not on the senior list, we would to delist two more.

On a sidenote, I see some discussion about multi-year contracts. On the outside looking in, more years is obviously a bigger commitment but the money obviously needs to be factored in. Gia's contract seems to be a good example of this. imagine these two scenarios for an ageing player.

Contract A- 700k for 3 years.
Contract B- 600Kfor 2 years.

From our perspective, we might get nervous about it being for a longer period but we are limited by what we have access to.

[Ghost Dog]

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No I don't prefer everyone agrees, but in this case your assessment of him is way out.

Ok, you tell me if he is better than:

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee, who we all agree will most likely get the chop. Is he better than Campbell or Tom Hill?

Tell us who should be delisted ahead of Skinner?

When he shows something then we can all say he is doing well but at the moment, I think he should be playing for Willi reserves.

No. You used the whole ' Well the whole woof board disagrees with you' play.
My assessment is way out according to others. But I have the right to disagree and I do.

It's not halfway into the season. And at this stage, one can only speculate. Some players must be delisted. Some players need to get on with it and prove their worth. Skinner is one of the latter, as is Campbell ( who I like ) and Hill ( who I know little about.)

Young key forwards always take longer to develop, especially if they grow up in outback Australia. Fact.

[Desipura]

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No. You used the whole ' Well the whole woof board disagrees with you' play.
My assessment is way out according to others. But I have the right to disagree and I do.

It's not halfway into the season. And at this stage, one can only speculate. Some players must be delisted. Some players need to get on with it and prove their worth. Skinner is one of the latter, as is Campbell ( who I like ) and Hill ( who I know little about.)

Young key forwards always take longer to develop, especially if they grow up in outback Australia. Fact.

He is not a kpp, more like a 3rd tall at best.

[GVGjr]

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Perth is a pretty remote community.

How right you are RJ.
My family live there, and I keep warning them not to sneeze, otherwise they might blow themselves off the edge of the world.

[Ghost Dog]

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He is not a kpp, more like a 3rd tall at best.

Ok but he is a forward.
Vezpremi is a goal sneak forward. But now where is he?.... you just never know Desi.

[LostDoggy]

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No I don't prefer everyone agrees, but in this case your assessment of him is way out.

Ok, you tell me if he is better than:

Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee, who we all agree will most likely get the chop. Is he better than Campbell or Tom Hill?

Tell us who should be delisted ahead of Skinner?

When he shows something then we can all say he is doing well but at the moment, I think he should be playing for Willi reserves.

I've seen enough flashes from Skinner to want to get one more preseason in him. I'd definately be sitting him down at the end of the year and having a serious talk but the question for me if whether his tank can develop quickly enough rather than talent. If he can pop in and out of a game like a Betts or a Rioli he'd be of value to most teams but he's much more massively exposed playing for us because the rest of our list is either straight out of nappies, ready to retire or only just afl standard (apologies to Griffin and Murphy).

Yes to Hooper, Mulligan, Moles, Gilbee and Shaggy will probably go as well.

Rather than delist kids, I'd be happy to cut deep at the trade table (for picks or upgrades) with any of the following: Sherman, Higgins, Howard, Grant and Minson. All of them have currency and are reasonable players that might suit a void on someone elses list. None of them are going to make or break our own run for the flag in a few years.

That would free up space for the draft rather than dumping Skinner this year.

On a side note for those wanting to draft a tall forward: We've now got 8 tall forward/rucks (190+) on our list excluding Minno, as well as Redpath and Campbell so 10 total. Grant has 44 games, Jones 33 and Roughy 26 so none of the top 3 have 50 games. The remaining 7 have a combined senior game time of 11 games of which Cordy is 8 and Skinner has 3. I think we've got to give all these kids some time to develop and prove their spot and that includes Skinner who's only had a year and a half in the system. It took Howard three years to show us anything and he was round 1. Poor decision by our recruiters but still round 1 vs pick 88 here??

[Dancin' Douggy]

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No. You used the whole ' Well the whole woof board disagrees with you' play.
My assessment is way out according to others. But I have the right to disagree and I do.

It's not halfway into the season. And at this stage, one can only speculate. Some players must be delisted. Some players need to get on with it and prove their worth. Skinner is one of the latter, as is Campbell ( who I like ) and Hill ( who I know little about.)

Young key forwards always take longer to develop, especially if they grow up in outback Australia. Fact.

watching this argument/discussion unfold I have to say I'm in your corner Ghost Dog so I'm not part of 'the whole woof board' that disagrees with you. I would love to see the club back Skinner for at least another year for all the reasons you've given.

I would chop Hooper Moles Gilbee Mulligan ahead of him. Definitely.

[LostDoggy]

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I would chop Hooper Moles Gilbee Mulligan ahead of him. Definitely.

That's not what the Skinner argument is about.
Delisting 4 blokes when we may promote 2 or 3 rookies isn't enough.
We have 2 extra draft picks as well.

Need to cut a lot deeper than 4.

[LostDoggy]

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I also find it funny GD that you complain about not being allowed to have a different opinion when you bagged me for saying Skinner is in danger of being delisted.

[Bornadog]

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I would chop Hooper Moles Gilbee Mulligan ahead of him. Definitely.

We all agree but who else should be delisted? Remember we are talking about the situation right now. A player may have a breakout second half and things may change.

[Ghost Dog]

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I also find it funny GD that you complain about not being allowed to have a different opinion when you bagged me for saying Skinner is in danger of being delisted.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Skinner is definitely in danger of being delisted. I agree.
I don't agree that he should be delisted at this point in time. It's way too early.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Skinner is definitely in danger of being delisted. I agree.
I don't agree that he should be delisted at this point in time. It's way too early.

Voltaire didn't actually say that, it was his biographer Evelyn Hall...

[Bornadog]

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Skinner is definitely in danger of being delisted. I agree.
I don't agree that he should be delisted at this point in time. It's way too early.

what do you mean this point in time?

[BulldogBelle]

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He's saying Skinner could turn it around soon and have a strong latter half of the season. I tend to agree that we shouldn't mark anyone for death this early in the season, but sadly by weight of numbers, we are going to lose some likeable faces.