Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Bumper Bulldogs]

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I don't absolve the forward line coach of all guilt but when you movement of the ball is treacle slow and your disposal inside 50 is awful, no forward line could prosper.

Yes Chops you are right, however I am frustrated even with the starting set up from centre bounces. I don't think we have tried any other forward posistioning since the start of the year. Also just the lack of change in personal through the forward fifty, get on the front foot as a coach and come out and say that ou are backing in the attached players for the next few weeks and see how it goes. I would even say that we should play the two Ff as extra wingman, this would drag two defenders up the ground and crate space to lead, that said we must instruct the forwards to lead, that said we have in the past had a super forward line and no talls and yes the ball moment was better but if you ollow the stats we are getting it in the forward fifty but it,s rebounding out far to easily. I feel this is also an area that the ouch can impact on very quickly, if you don't get a man or chase a man it's off to Willie you go. Hence room for Panos to come in

[Missing Dog]

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Yes Chops you are right, however I am frustrated even with the starting set up from centre bounces. I don't think we have tried any other forward posistioning seance the start of the year. Also just the lack of change in personal through the forward fifty, get on the front foot as a coach and come out and say that ou are backing in the attached players for the next few weeks and see how it goes. I would even say that we should play the two Ff as extra wingman, this would drag two defenders up the ground and crate space to lead, that said we must instruct the forwards to lead, that said we have in the past had a super forward line and no talls and yes the ball moment was better but if you ollow the stats we are getting it in the forward fifty but it,s rebounding out far to easily. I feel this is also an area that the ouch can impact on very quickly, if you don't get a man or chase a man it's off to Willie you go. Hence room for Panos to come in

Calling on the dead? I like it, I wonder what Mr Football has to say

[westdog54]

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Calling on the dead? I like it, I wonder what Mr Football has to say

Haha, well spotted, edited for bulldogsman's benefit.

[Rocco Jones]

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I mentioned delisting a whole heap awhile ago and I definitely haven't changed my opinion.

I actually think our kids are pretty good but the middle aged glut of players who offer very little need to go.

Delist/Trade
Not sure anyone would disagree with Mulligan, Gilbee, Hooper and Moles going.

Shaggy looks done.

I know he has his fans but Panos is just serviceable at VFL level, a throwback.

Zeph is nowhere near it, borderline VFL standard.

I really like the way DJ goes about it but he isn't up to it.

Vez- what is the point? Really doesn't fit the modern game. We know he won't make it. If he had a great attitude I'd keep him but what's the point? JJ and even Jong have already shown more.

Markovic- He is older, seems like he has a great attitude but I think his limitations mean he can only pick up immobile types. I would prefer to give these roles to Roughead/Talia to help develop them. Perhaps we could trade him to a side who could do with a mature KP defender/back up (Saints/GWS etc) for whatever we can get?

Sherman- I rate him a bit but it really doesn't look like he will work with B-Mac. A year to run on his contract I think and I definitely wouldn't pay him out etc but seems like any trade would be a win if we are just waiting out his contract.

That's 10 delistings (not counting Sherman trade)

Rookie elevations

JJ- Absolute cert.

Jong- looks pretty good in his first year. Would probably prefer to have him on rookie list but I would much rather him than another list clogger.

Campbell- Doesn't really go well with Will (assuming he stays on) but again weak list and I rate him in our top 40. Even though the 2nd ruck role really doesn't suit him, I still think he does more in the role than Ayce.

Austin- depends on Markovic and how where we see his body is at. With Talia, Roberts and Roughy on the list, I would have only one of Markovic and Austin on the senior list. Ideally I would like to trade Austin and Markovic around on senior/rookie list.

So that's 10 off the senior list and 4 elevated from the rookies. I know it sounds extreme but if they were just 14 players in own right, I would have the rookies as the 4 I would most want to keep.

That means 6 draft picks. 2 in 1st round, 1 in 2nd round, 2 in 3rd round nad 1 in the 4th round.

[stefoid]

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Yep, hard to argue with any of that, but I dont see us cutting that many of those middle-aged players this year - vezpremi, sherman, marcovic - they offer some depth which me might actually want to use if we dont plan on sucking next year as much as we have sucked this year.

Over the next 2 or 3 years they will be gone one way or the other. Hell, they might even improve - Dylan Addison style.

[Rocco Jones]

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Yep, hard to argue with any of that, but I dont see us cutting that many of those middle-aged players this year - vezpremi, sherman, marcovic - they offer some depth which me might actually want to use if we dont plan on sucking next year as much as we have sucked this year.

Over the next 2 or 3 years they will be gone one way or the other. Hell, they might even improve - Dylan Addison style.

At the stage our list is at, I would only keep 'depth' types if they are great role models/help the kids develop.

Vez- still pretty young himself at 22 but I really cannot see him making it. Too slow to play forward and I would rather see others have a go at the small defensive role.

Markovic- as I mentioned, I would rather Talia/Roughy have a go at playing on the tall forwards Marko gets. I think our tall defensive depth's actually OK.

Sherman- I want him but I don't think he can work with B-Mac. Why waste time, resources and trade value?

[Bornadog]

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Rocco, I agree with everything you said. Would you look at trying to get a gun from another club, around the 24/25 year old bracket if they were available?

[Rocco Jones]

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Rocco, I agree with everything you said. Would you look at trying to get a gun from another club, around the 24/25 year old bracket if they were available?

I have long been a fan of getting Xavier Ellis in a 'Moneyball' kind of way. Lots of his type at the Hawks. I feel they have given him a go against weaker opponents to inflate his worth.

Perhaps going with a state leaguer? Surely it's worth a punt over what we know already with DJ, Marko and Vez. A bit like a lottery ticket for next week vs non-winning one from last week.

[divvydan]

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Gilbee has officially retired accoring to Mark Stevens

Mark Stevens @StevoHeraldSun
Change rolls on at Dogs. Lindsay Gilbee, one of footy's good guys, has retired. Still has sore spots, so no farewell game.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Gilbee has officially retired accoring to Mark Stevens

In full flight he was great to watch from 2005-2009.

One of the best kicks during that period of all time.

[comrade]

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In full flight he was great to watch from 2005-2009.

One of the best kicks during that period of all time.

It's a shame we'll never again see a Lindsay special. Nothing better than watching one of our guys hand it off outside 50 and watch it sail over the umpires head.

Thanks for the memories, Gilbs.

[LostDoggy]

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Will be sad to see Gilbee go, one of the best kicks in afl. Wish him the best in retirement.

[Maddog37]

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Shaggy gone too.

[LostDoggy]

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Sad to see Gilb's career come to an end. Shaggy too according to the AFL

[stefoid]

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At the stage our list is at, I would only keep 'depth' types if they are great role models/help the kids develop.

Vez- still pretty young himself at 22 but I really cannot see him making it. Too slow to play forward and I would rather see others have a go at the small defensive role.

Markovic- as I mentioned, I would rather Talia/Roughy have a go at playing on the tall forwards Marko gets. I think our tall defensive depth's actually OK.

Sherman- I want him but I don't think he can work with B-Mac. Why waste time, resources and trade value?

I want us to aggressively trade down our picks this year and draft up bigtime. If we are going to suck this bad, we better make damn best use of it - if we can get reasonable pick upgrades from any of these players, then sure. In particular -

downgrade our 2nd rounder by 6 or 7 spots would give us a real crack at a 'slider'.
downgrade our compensation 3rd round pick to the mid 2nd round area would give us a crack at Tom Lee without having to use our 2nd rounder on him.


But delist these guys outright? Not this year.

BTW, anyone seen Tom Lee play? Any WA dogs out there? thoughts.