Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

I've made my point pretty clear on that...

Trying to think of other blokes besides Lake who can handle the larger forwards like Dawes, Cloke and so forth. Markovic fits into an age slot we are a bit short on and when we do play teams with a couple of large forwards, will need him.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

The 5 I nominate to delist at this point in time are: Gilbee, Brodie Moles, Pat Vezpremi, Hooper and Mulligan.

So you are not happy with Vez?

I haven't been a fan of Vez, but he has done more than Skinner to date and if I had my choice I would rather keep Vez.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

RJ, we may give up players / picks to get involved in the 17 year old mini draft.

I like what Vez offers. Where is DJ in all of this? Personally I think DJ would be stiff to be axed but I think Vez has more ability and has a role to play in our team, where as DJ is surplus.

DJ is contracted for next year.

I don't really want to delist Vez, just that I would rather an earlyish 3rd round pick. Can't think of a 7th to delist who isn't contracted. Either way as long as Vez doesn't go down hill, I'd keep him and try to find another solution i.e. trade 2 picks for upgraded pick.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Trying to think of other blokes besides Lake who can handle the larger forwards like Dawes, Cloke and so forth. Markovic fits into an age slot we are a bit short on and when we do play teams with a couple of large forwards, will need him.

Tom Williams - This guy can
Roberts & Talia - Young, but could play next year
Morris & Austin - More of a 3rd tall but they have shown they can play on big talls.

Ok, I really can't make this anymore clearer. I don't rate Markovic and I think he's a wasted spot on the main list. As I mentioned early in thread, this draft has quite a number of good potential key position talls. I'd look at filling up Markovic's spot with one. If Markovic is not available as backup on the rookie list, I have identified one to be at least just as good to perhaps serve as backup. I understand that you disagree and that's fine. I may be wrong, but I have thought about this and made up my mind. I think this year, some very tough decisions have be made and I think we can get by with those listed talls.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Tough decisions need to be made.

Hooper, Mulligan, Gilbee and Moles are givens. However, we still need at least 2-3 more.

Skinner is undoubtedly in that 'next' category, as is Panos. If we need to chop another, I agree with bulldogsman: it should be Markovic.

I would look to rookie either Panos or Markovic.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

It is an interesting discussion and there is absolutely no doubt that the club will cut strongly in some way.

We have identified that at least 5 spots are required just for the draft picks we have already committed too. Any upgraded rookie is additional. Through the thread Rocco (I think) suggested 7, but we have struggled to get to 5. Even then any one we identify can still change that with a big second half. Conversely someone could drop away that we currently think is safe.

Personally, I now think we will cut about 8 including retirees. These may include Hargrave and even Morris, who just may not get back from injury.

Hopefully the next 12 weeks will identify who we really want for the future.

[ledge]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Tough decisions need to be made.

Hooper, Mulligan, Gilbee and Moles are givens. However, we still need at least 2-3 more.

Skinner is undoubtedly in that 'next' category, as is Panos. If we need to chop another, I agree with bulldogsman: it should be Markovic.

I would look to rookie either Panos or Markovic.

Why would you drop off Markovic when he has started to play well, mature and will take over from Lake,I dont understand how people think Markovic will go.
Personally to me he is safe as houses with Williams being injury prone and Morris struggling, if another backman goes down eg Wood again you dont want Markovic around at all.
Murphy isnt young either.

[azabob]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

DJ is contracted for next year.

I don't really want to delist Vez, just that I would rather an earlyish 3rd round pick. Can't think of a 7th to delist who isn't contracted. Either way as long as Vez doesn't go down hill, I'd keep him and try to find another solution i.e. trade 2 picks for upgraded pick.

Rocco, I'm fairly sure DJ said he only got a two year deal, meaning he isn't contracted.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Why would you drop off Markovic when he has started to play well, mature and will take over from Lake,I dont understand how people think Markovic will go.
Personally to me he is safe as houses with Williams being injury prone and Morris struggling, if another backman goes down eg Wood again you dont want Markovic around at all.
Murphy isnt young either.

Murphy could also be a potential retiree.

He has struggled with his knees for the past 5 years. At best a year to year proposition.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Rocco, I'm fairly sure DJ said he only got a two year deal, meaning he isn't contracted.

I think DJ may be a prime candidate to be delisted or even traded to release us from any financial obligation (if there is one).
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[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Markovic finished in the top 10 of our B & F last year, yet some are calling for him to be culled ahead of Skinner. Simply incredible.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Markovic finished in the top 10 of our B & F last year, yet some are calling for him to be culled ahead of Skinner. Simply incredible.

Who?

I don't think anyone has suggested that including myself.

[Desipura]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Murphy could also be a potential retiree.

He has struggled with his knees for the past 5 years. At best a year to year proposition.

Murphy has more footy in him than Gia.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Murphy has more footy in him than Gia.

Maybe he has but maybe not.

Gia exists on smarts while Murphy has run. Run disappears quicker than smarts. Murphy also has a well known knee issue. We suspect that Gia has some body concerns but those aren't publically known.

Realistically they both could be done at years end but also could just as easily provide good value for 2 or 3 years.

[Bornadog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Given that everyone can't agree on the players that need to be de-listed, retired or traded, the club may have to make a choice .

Here is a List of the players who are 30 or will be 30 next year, total of 8.

We know that two can be on the Vets list. I would suggest Lake and Boyd would take those spots. That leaves us with 6 players that I suggest are 2 too many.

Who would you pick and make the hard choice to say goodbye to?

	Games	Age	Date of Birth	Height	Weight
Gilbee	202	30yr 11mth	8-Jul-81	180cm	82kg
Hargrave 200   30yr 10mth	 26-Jul-81	190cm	85kg
Lake	186	30yr 3mth	27-Feb-82	195cm	104kg
Gia	222	30yr 3mth	11-Mar-82	182cm	82kg
Murphy 219	 30yr	         9-Jun-82	186cm	82kg
Boyd	195	29yr 9mth	27-Aug-82	184cm	89kg
Morris	151	29yr 5mth	29-Dec-82	190cm	93kg
Cross	190	29yr 2mth	30-Mar-83	187cm	86kg

There is a question mark over Hargrave, Gia, Morris and Murphy due to their bodies standing up to the rigours of AFL. Gilbee is most likely gone. Cross is still one of the fittest in the club, but do we cull him due to his skill deficiencies in today's footy?

I have suggested 6 players to stay who are over 30, but should that be less? Personally maybe 5 is the right balance.