Whats our bigger issue?

[chef]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

We picked up Jordan McMahon in 2000 (pick 10), Sam Power in 2001 (pick 10), Tim Walsh (pick 4) and Cam 'next McLeod' Faulkner (pick 17) both in 2002. Then in 2003 we got Farren Ray in 2003 (pick 4), and then pissed away pick 6 (effectively Rawlings), pick 19 (Koops), pick 20 (Street) and pick 35 (Morgan). Whilst the 2003 ND stunk it up in the main, it still delivered David Mundy at the Koops pick, Sam Butler at the Street pick, and talented players like Sam Fisher and Nick Malceski beyond these picks. That is 4 years of ND first and second round busts by the Dogs, as well as the catastrophe of 2003 trade week that ultimately meant that we lacked those 2-3 elite talents in 2008-2009 that would have made all the difference between heart-breaking PF losses and winning a flag.

One thing is certain, Dalrymple is the most critical employee at our club in the next 12 months. We simply need to nail our high-end selections next year for our list to take shape for a tilt at another flag beyond 2015.

This.

We will have at least 5 picks in the first 3 rounds(with probably 2 top 5 picks) this year.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

One thing is certain, Dalrymple is the most critical employee at our club in the next 12 months. We simply need to nail our high-end selections next year for our list to take shape for a tilt at another flag beyond 2015.

This is one thing we can all agree on.

I have more faith in Dalrymple hitting the mark than Clayton did. Thus far, I think Dalrymple's picks have been pretty solid (minus Howard).

We are suffering right now because Clayton stuffed up a hell of a lot from that 02-08 mark.

[azabob]

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This is one thing we can all agree on.

I have more faith in Dalrymple hitting the mark than Clayton did. Thus far, I think Dalrymple's picks have been pretty solid (minus Howard).

We are suffering right now because Clayton stuffed up a hell of a lot from that 02-08 mark.

Wonder if gold coast didn't poach Clayton would we have moved him on yet?

[Sedat]

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Wonder if gold coast didn't poach Clayton would we have moved him on yet?

Probaby would still be at the kennel. Whist his recruting was a little hit and miss, he was a brilliant contract negotiator. We've certainly missed that skill in the last 3 years, either paying overs for some key players players or losing some altogether.

I know it's early days but Clayton had 7 of the first 10 picks in 2010 and missed both Gaff and Heppell. Are there any tall KPP's that Clayton drafted to GC that are coming along well?

[LostDoggy]

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This is one thing we can all agree on.

I have more faith in Dalrymple hitting the mark than Clayton did. Thus far, I think Dalrymple's picks have been pretty solid (minus Howard).

Which holds us in good stead as long as we take the best couple of run and carry players available with our two first rounders. Assuming we bottom out and get picks 4 and 5, if you add a Pendles and a Fyfe with those two picks and Cordy, Roughy and Jones continue on with it then we've got a very strong list by 2015/16. Cooney, Griffin, Libba, Smith, Dahl, Pendles, Fyfe, Wallis kind of works for me as the foundation for a flag... Have to get it right and I seriously hope we are overinvesting in our draft analysis this year. It's as critical as anything we'll see on the field.

[ledge]

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We know whoever Macca decides to take in the draft will be hard and a good role model outside of footy.
So next draft if we are undecided on a choice of two those will be the deciding factors I would imagine.

[Mofra]

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I have more faith in Dalrymple hitting the mark than Clayton did. Thus far, I think Dalrymple's picks have been pretty solid (minus Howard).

Broad concensus was that if we didn't take Howard we'd take Pittard (Port).
Neither have set the world on fire yet.

[LostDoggy]

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Broad concensus was that if we didn't take Howard we'd take Pittard (Port).
Neither have set the world on fire yet.

He got a rising star award 25 possies in a crows game but I'm not sure that means much.

Either way I think Fyfe would be great, Menzel looked good when he played and Pittard maybe.

[stefoid]

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Probaby would still be at the kennel. Whist his recruting was a little hit and miss, he was a brilliant contract negotiator. We've certainly missed that skill in the last 3 years, either paying overs for some key players players or losing some altogether.

I know it's early days but Clayton had 7 of the first 10 picks in 2010 and missed both Gaff and Heppell. Are there any tall KPP's that Clayton drafted to GC that are coming along well?

I reckon clayton has poor risk management. He tries to hit the ball out of the park too often with a pick rather than going for the safer option, he ignores high risk red flags like temperament and intensity, and he values skills and athleticism perhaps higher than footy smarts.

Plus he is all about 'best available' with high picks, saving 'team balance' for poor picks, which I think is exactly arse about. Its certainly the most defensible philosophy to have for the recuriter himself, but its not the best for the team.

Anyway, we wont have that 'best available' conundrum this year at least - the lsit is overflowing with young talls and we depserately need some clasy mids, so the 'best available' is also likely to be the type of player we need.

[stefoid]

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He got a rising star award 25 possies in a crows game but I'm not sure that means much.

Either way I think Fyfe would be great, Menzel looked good when he played and Pittard maybe.

Fyfe was a good pick, but look at Dalhaus for a rookie pick. Sometimes players dont show what they can do until after draft day.

[azabob]

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Fyfe was a good pick, but look at Dalhaus for a rookie pick. Sometimes players dont show what they can do until after draft day.

Not sure that is the case with Fyfe. I think mjp was a big wrap for him pre draft day.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

Our biggest issue is getting the fans to the games. And once we are there we dont make enough NOISE!! I want to hear everybody fired up especially at a home game! I reckon the West Coast cheer squad was louder then all the bulldogs supporters we had there.. Lets get behind the boys we cant expect them to fire up and want to play if we dont have all the supporters behind them.

Then we can start picking on players and ask them the question why they arnt performing.

Dahlhaus gets a buzz when he hears the crowd roar when he gets the ball, dont see why its any different with any of the other players.

[stefoid]

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Not sure that is the case with Fyfe. I think mjp was a big wrap for him pre draft day.

I was talking more the fact he was passed over by the recruiters for 15 AFL teams before being picked up at 20. He went first round, so he wasnt in Dals league of being overlooked, but still , he would go top 5 in retrosepct. Thats still a big difference in perceievd and actual value.

We were looking for very good kicks of the ball as a first priority with Howard and Tutt -- this strategy might still pay off if you consider where our team is currently at.

[mighty_west]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

To me, our bigger issue seems to be the older players, will they be part of our next rise up the ladder, clearly now in a rebuilding phase.

Not sure about Gilbee, seems to be stuggling alot with the old mans injury, Crossy seems to be in danger with quite a few kids prepared to get their hands dirty [a good thing], Murph is still class but getting on, same with Gia.

Another issue may be, do we have too many fringe type players, DJ, Moles, Sherman [he's had one decent season at the Lions], Dickson [may be harsh but can notice definate limitations to his game], Markovic [very handy with the injuries to Williams and Morris, but again, more of a spare parts tall]. Addison, Vezspremi, Hooper.

Kicking for goal, especially our young tall forwards coming through, Grant seems to always be very hit or miss, Jones isn't that much better, Roughead [as a resting forward] can definatly take some nice grabs, but again seems to miss alot of goals, Panos is one that is a very good set shot, but will he be good enough to make the grade?

[LostDoggy]

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Fyfe was a good pick, but look at Dalhaus for a rookie pick. Sometimes players dont show what they can do until after draft day.

We are talking the Howard draft pick not rookies.