Whats our bigger issue?

[Bornadog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

Glad you read it though. I always like to offer something a bit different.

Its the same old things you have been writing about for years, so thats why I say crap. I get sick and tired of reading about we should have done this and that in 2006 or whatever year.

Lets forget the past and look to the future and what you feel we need to improve on. Draft picks are too late, ie we have what we have, so what position should we be drafting for in the future? What can BMac do to help this young team. Remember half the team on Sunday hasn't played 50 games yet, three were coming back from long term injuries, and no Griffen, Morris and Williams.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

James Fantasia - he is the Antichrist

David Smorgan and other board members, Ian Veale, Barry Hall, George Pappas and others. These guys are responsible for the efficient running of the club and they just have not done their job. They are ultimately responsible for the position that the club is in. They should have straightened Eade out with his poor team selections and outdated tactics years .

If bagging the guy, at least spell his name right.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

In the days before the salary cap I could understand that money made the Premiership cups go around. But since the advent of the draft and the cap, its criminal that we have enjoyed so little success. How we can consistently get the wrong people who then go on to make the wrong decision in recruiting is beyond me.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

In the days before the salary cap I could understand that money made the Premiership cups go around. But since the advent of the draft and the cap, its criminal that we have enjoyed so little success. How we can consistently get the wrong people who then go on to make the wrong decision in recruiting is beyond me.

Middle of the road if you ask me. Done better than some much better off clubs ( richmond, Melb ) and not nearly as well as others.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

James Fantasia - he is the Antichrist
He has been the football manager since November 2007 and is responsible for the list. He is the person who is responsible for the team having list cloggers such as Hooper, Mulligan, Addison, Gilbee, Moles and Panos. As if we didn't have enough list cloggers he goes out and recruits duds such as Callan, Sherman and Djerrkura from other clubs. Also Stack and others before him were on the list for far too long. In addition Aker, Johnson and Eagleton played one year too long. If these players were recognised as washed up or highly unlikely to succeed earlier they could have been replaced by very good players.

Also, somebody said that Fantasia just gave Cross a two year contract, how dumb is that. Fantasia survived the chop last year when he should have been sacked. He should have advised Macca that Addison is at best going to be a C grader and not selected him, Vez should have been selected. Seemed to have absolutely failed to recognise the enormous potential in Cordy, should be signing him up for a 5 year contract otherwise he will just get pinched by some other club.

David Smorgan and other board members, Ian Veale, Barry Hall, George Pappas and others. These guys are responsible for the efficient running of the club and they just have not done their job. They are ultimately responsible for the position that the club is in. They should have straightened Eade out with his poor team selections and outdated tactics years ago.

I had two full memberships with social club two years ago. For this year my membership renewal did not come. I rang up the club and got a recorded message for me to leave a message, but it didn't work. I sent an email but didn't get a reply. The membership website doesn't give me a clue as to my membership status. Really poor.

Simon Garlick - my mate Tom's little boy, but you have not started off well. Changing our jumper to loser hoops, one premiership and one other grand final in how long - 60 years or so. Your intelligence should tell you that we have to go RED!

We have not been able to develop players the way that other teams such as West Coast, Hawthorn and Collingwood have. Players such as Grant, Everitt and Roughead have not come along as expected.

Jones just needs kicking and marking practice, forget about handballs and running around witches tits. He gets shuffled out of the static marking contest too easily. Should be aiming to put 1000 hours into marking and kicking practice between now and the end of the season.

End of rant. (Who said thank goodness for that).

Yeah but other than that you think we are going alright huh?

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

In the days before the salary cap I could understand that money made the Premiership cups go around. But since the advent of the draft and the cap, its criminal that we have enjoyed so little success. How we can consistently get the wrong people who then go on to make the wrong decision in recruiting is beyond me.

Middle of the road if you ask me. Done better than some much better off clubs ( richmond, Melb ) and not nearly as well as others.

[chef]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

So out of the list you believe, Smith, Talia, Roughead, Howard Tutt, Wallis, Cordy and Grant are no good.

Can't agree.

I did say it was to early to tell with Talia and Smith and I haven't seen enough of Cordy yet, but he is one I'm excited about. Roughead needs time, but he doesn't have a stand out quality going for him and Tutt may offer us some Eagleton like abilities which our side needs.

None of the others look like A graders to me(which is what you need to be finding with your first two picks), maybe not even B graders. If any of them were put up on the trade table what would expect other clubs would offer for them?

The only reason why we aren't very good ATM is because off the players we have drafted. To me that is the be all and end all.

[Mofra]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

You guys have short memories:

So a post basically agreeing with what I said equates to having a short memory?

[Bornadog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

I did say it was to early to tell with Talia and Smith and I haven't seen enough of Cordy yet, but he is one I'm excited about. Roughead needs time, but he doesn't have a stand out quality going for him and Tutt may offer us some Eagleton like abilities which our side needs.

None of the others look like A graders to me(which is what you need to be finding with your first two picks), maybe not even B graders. If any of them were put up on the trade table what would expect other clubs would offer for them?

I am not saying we have the best players, but what I am saying its not all doom and gloom. I am saying is its difficult to draft A graders when you have played finals footy and don't get to pick a player till 13 to 16 others have.

You agree that Cooney and Griffen are A graders. We had the luxury of drafting them because we were low down on the ladder. Since 2006 to 2010, we have played finals which means we don't get to choose the best players and the rest of the draft picks can be a bit of a lottery. The players we drafted as round one and two picks over the past 5 years are not too bad given the pick number we had but as you say still to be proven. The last two drafts have been compromised which hasn't helped any one. It is very difficult to pick an A grader from picks above ten, unless its a freak year like the Griffen year. (Should we have picked Buddy before Griffen)?

Basically, we can whinge and carry on about why we picked Everitt over Riewoldt or someone over someone else, but at the time of drafting, there were all sorts of reasons for making those decisions. If you have ever been involved in elite sports you will find that some 18 year olds can be ready made footballers, others grow into it. So its difficult to know how they will develop.

For example: No one wanted Picken because he was a scrawny kid, but he developed and worked hard and has now made it. Others look like they are going to be stars due to their junior footy, but as they grow, they change, their passion is not there and they don't work hard enough. Picking A Graders is very very difficult and theren't too many that are high draft picks. Lake is one exception we have.

The only reason why we aren't very good ATM is because off the players we have drafted. To me that is the be all and end all.

I don't think this is the sole reason, I think we didn't manage our list properly as James Cummings mentioned, certain players were left on our list too long and really we shouldn't have tried to drafted mature players to fill gaps - Aker Welsh and maybe even Hudson and Hall who took placres of younger players and stopped their development.

We had 11 players with less than 50 games on Sunday, which doesn't help our course. Lets hope these young players, all under 21 will make it. Personally I was excited to see 19 year old Libba be best on the ground for us, or 18 year old Smith kicking 4 goals on debut, or 19 year old Dahlhaus ducking and weaving and creating goals.

[Bornadog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

So a post basically agreeing with what I said equates to having a short memory?

I was disagreeing that our second rounders were poor picks.

[anfo27]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

Glad you read it though. I always like to offer something a bit different.

loved your first line about James Fantasia being the antichrist. not sure if your aim is to make people laugh but i always enjoy reading your posts cause i always get a laugh out of it.

[Mofra]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

I was disagreeing that our second rounders were poor picks.

Disagree strongly - we have a few solid 2nd rounders, that's it.
We are below par compared to other clubs, and combined with our overall poor first round draft picks we are behind the 8 ball.

Do people really think our list is one of the more talented in the AFL?

[Bornadog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

Disagree strongly - we have a few solid 2nd rounders, that's it.
We are below par compared to other clubs, and combined with our overall poor first round draft picks we are behind the 8 ball.

Do people really think our list is one of the more talented in the AFL?

I never said they were one of the more talented. Lets look at who we drafted as a second rounder and tell me they are no good:

2007, Ward. (ok we lost him, but we were pretty good in picking him)
2008, Roughead and Jones both second rounders.
2009, Tutt
2010, Libba
2011, Talia

can we please give these guys a go before we write them off?

Now you pick a club that has consistently picked good second rounders over the past 5 years and were in the top 4 on the ladder. I am asking out of ignorance and can't be bothered checking because I didn't make the statement.

[Before I Die]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

Disagree strongly - we have a few solid 2nd rounders, that's it.
We are below par compared to other clubs, and combined with our overall poor first round draft picks we are behind the 8 ball.

Do people really think our list is one of the more talented in the AFL?

Below par means below average. Are you saying we are below par compared to all other clubs, or below par compared to the top 4 clubs? In which case, so are 13 other clubs.

Three Prelims, one injury ravaged year and a first round defeat to a very good team and it is all doom and gloom?

Quinten Lynch was a list clogger, Matt Pridis was a list clogger, Kennedy was given up by Carlton, Cox was picked up as a rookie. Give Jones, Grant and Roughead a chance. I think our young list is very good, but has not matured yet.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Whats our bigger issue?

I re-watched Year of the Dogs the other day.
The unsung hero in that video is the psychologist, who keeps hammering it home. Scrappy dogs, battling dogs, Crap Crap Crap.
Exciting, professional passionate. This is our big issue to my mind. The amount of negativity expressed even by our own supporters is astounding. Its reflected in our poor membership retention, and a great deal of pessimism on this forum.
Exciting, Passionate, Professional plus, I will add Profitable and Positive.