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  • Bulldog Revolution
    Coaching Staff
    • Dec 2006
    • 3926

    #16
    Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

    I think he's maintained a pretty even approach. I've not enjoyed a lot of our football but he's taken a development approach, and it was needed. We need to remember how poor we were last year. Sure, we didn't have a patch perhaps as bad as the last 5 weeks, but we were pretty woeful for a lot of the year.

    Playing the three ruck men has been evidence of the development approach, and I've been supportive of this. There is only so many years we could have Roughie and Cordy on the list without playing them. After the North Melbourne game it seemed to be coming together, but we've hit some rough waters since.

    I don't have any problem with his contest out approach. Even under Eade in his best years we could't produce the intensity required for long enough, and often over relied on our offensive ability. Whilst a player like Shermans value should be in his run and carry, I have no problem with Macca taking a hard line in demanding an improved defensive contribution etc. Sure as a team we've struggled to get the balance right between attacking and defending, but surely the lack of experienced forwards (post-Hall) is a massive factor in this. And all of us would agree that for us to be good we need to establish if Jones, Grant, Cordy and Roughie are part of the future.

    The problem, and its an inherited one is the list. We just have too many unestablished players and too many fringe/depth players who have yet to distinguish themselves.

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    • Bulldog Joe
      Premiership Moderator
      • Jul 2009
      • 5583

      #17
      Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

      I certainly have concerns.

      We hear that he is a great teacher, but we are not seeing much evidence. He has also not been able/willing to explain what the supporters should expect as signs that we can be competitive and when that may be.

      It is going to be very difficult to market the club if we don't see something positive soon.
      Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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      • MrMahatma
        Coaching Staff
        • Sep 2007
        • 3966

        #18
        Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

        Too early to tell I reckon. Personally thought this year would be painful, but we need to see improvement from individuals in order to have faith moving forward. Jones, Grant and Roughead have been disappointments this year. Dahl and Wallis good. What happens with the likes of Tutt, Pearce, Howard et al over the next 12 months should be a barometer for Macca. He's preaching about teaching so we need to see some results.

        We certainly can't afford another year like this next year.

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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          #19
          Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

          I remember when I first joined this site there were lots of threads bemoaning our lack of guts, fight, spirit. Seem to recall Chops in particular being quite vocal about this. So can't fault McCartney in this regard. We look far less likely to be intimidated.
          You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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          • Twodogs
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 27656

            #20
            Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

            I'm not a fan.

            I was prepared to give him a chance but we havent improved this season. In fact we've gone backwards in many key areas. The player's have no confidence, their skills have deteriorated, he either isnt articulating the game plan or there just isnt one and he stubbornly sticks to ideas that just arent working for far too long.

            He may be a great assistant, I think that's beyond dispute but to my eye he is clearly out of his depth as a senior coach. Last night he was sucker punched and outcoached by Brett Ratten coaching what was already an ordinary Carlton team even before it lost half a dozen of it's best players.
            They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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            • mjp
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 7378

              #21
              Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

              Originally posted by Ghost Dog
              I remember when I first joined this site there were lots of threads bemoaning our lack of guts, fight, spirit. Seem to recall Chops in particular being quite vocal about this. So can't fault McCartney in this regard. We look far less likely to be intimidated.
              True. Unfortunately we also look far less likely to score.

              Some goals would be nice to give us some hope...
              What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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              • AndrewP6
                Bulldog Team of the Century
                • Jan 2009
                • 8142

                #22
                Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                I remember when I first joined this site there were lots of threads bemoaning our lack of guts, fight, spirit. Seem to recall Chops in particular being quite vocal about this. So can't fault McCartney in this regard. We look far less likely to be intimidated.
                You're kidding aren't you?? We are, along with GC and GWS, the AFL easybeats. We've rolled over several times this season without a whimper.
                [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15471

                  #23
                  Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                  Originally posted by Twodogs

                  He may be a great assistant, I think that's beyond dispute but to my eye he is clearly out of his depth as a senior coach. Last night he was sucker punched and outcoached by Brett Ratten coaching what was already an ordinary Carlton team even before it lost half a dozen of it's best players.
                  Quite a few Geelong players are of the same view and struggled to see how MaCartney would make the transition as they didn't think he would be suited to the top job.

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                  • SonofScray
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 4241

                    #24
                    Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                    I remember when I first joined this site there were lots of threads bemoaning our lack of guts, fight, spirit. Seem to recall Chops in particular being quite vocal about this. So can't fault McCartney in this regard. We look far less likely to be intimidated.
                    On occasions yes, but not as a standard and certainly not as promised by Mac. It is my biggest concern when going in to bat for Mac, that the very standard he said he would set which does't rely a great deal on skill just hasn't come to fruition.

                    That being said, our will as a Club isn't exactly like iron these days so I'm going to give him time to install it.
                    Time and Tide Waits For No Man

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                    • Nuggety Back Pocket
                      WOOF Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 2064

                      #25
                      Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      Quite a few Geelong players are of the same view and struggled to see how MaCartney would make the transition as they didn't think he would be suited to the top job.
                      These comments are quite unhelpful in the scheme of things. I would rather support the judgement of Chris Grant and Simon Garlick who would have been the key football people involved in BMcC's appointment.

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                      • AndrewP6
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 8142

                        #26
                        Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                        Originally posted by Nuggety Back Pocket
                        These comments are quite unhelpful in the scheme of things. I would rather support the judgement of Chris Grant and Simon Garlick who would have been the key football people involved in BMcC's appointment.
                        Rather than the judgment of players who worked with him for some time prior?
                        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                        • EasternWest
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 10002

                          #27
                          Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                          Originally posted by mjp
                          I aren't all that worried, but I didn't like the whole 'contested ball cost us the game' after last night.

                          Surely our complete inability to move the ball (and therefore kick a goal) cost us the game? Our ball movement is simply god-awful...why do we have to play this way?
                          As someone involved in a professional coaching capacity, what do you think needs to happen for us to improve Mike? I mean, aside from your point above what steps need to be taken to make it happen?
                          "It's over. It's all over."

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                          • Ghost Dog
                            WOOF Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 9404

                            #28
                            Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                            Originally posted by AndrewP6
                            You're kidding aren't you?? We are, along with GC and GWS, the AFL easybeats. We've rolled over several times this season without a whimper.
                            How did you feel we went about it at the North Game?
                            I know you were probably there.
                            You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                            • AndrewP6
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 8142

                              #29
                              Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                              Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                              How did you feel we went about it at the North Game?
                              I know you were probably there.
                              Very good win.
                              [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471

                                #30
                                Re: Starting to get worried about our coach

                                Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                                How did you feel we went about it at the North Game?
                                I know you were probably there.
                                So we are happy with 1 good performance for the season?

                                I'm a long way from saying "sack the coach" but I've got real concerns and it staggers me that all we hear from him is contested ball. Sounds like a broken record and I fear the players will get the same treatment.

                                What amazes me is no criticism from the media. I actually heard Boyd's kicking heavily criticised for the first time on radio last week so perhaps we are losing our media darlings tag

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