Pack your bags McCartney...

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I've got no idea what you're talking about
I actually didn't call you out BT.Someone made a statement that this smelt of Rohde, and I've said this list compared to Rohdes are poles apart. A position of authority doesn't make everything right( if that's your point) but the title of the thread is absurd( incredibly started early last season) Decisions have been made that some disagree on and others agree, but to turf McCartney out now is short sighted and to be honest a new coach wouldn't improve our lot markedly next season.
1. Improve our defending outside a stoppage
2. Run and carry ( need players who play both ways)
3. Disposal into 50 needs massive work
4 . Need a decent forward

I'm getting confused. But we are in agreeance (pace, good disposal, KPPs). Makes drafting hard when you need everything!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I haven't seen many (if any) unreasonable posts re: criticism of McCartney and the coaching panel/state of our club as a whole.

Pretty easy to use the "yelling/negative/same posters" line and be oblivious to the justifications that astute posters here provide.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Power to all the Woofers. I love all the different views. As Claude Levi-Strauss the French anthropologist and ethnologist said "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions". Got taught that at school many years ago. Always wanted to use it even if it not appropriate.

[F'scary]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

You can't question the team's endeavour and the stats across the board show we get our fair share of possession.
McCartney has got that part of the equation right.

But...we play without any poise or incisiveness and our skills are often embarrassingly poor.
That is McCartney's problem.

[Ozza]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Perhaps I was unclear. I did not say Macca or his team are akin to Rhode and his team.

What I said was simply being authority doesn't mean they're right or wrong. To illustrate the point, I suggested those in authority who appointed Rhode and let him harm the club were not right. Ergo, power or authority doesn't automatically mean someone is right, and that people discussing concerns is not a bad thing.

Utter nonsense...

You may not be directly saying it - but you have referred to right now as being like the Rhode era on several threads for a few weeks, and you have bumped the 'pack your bags McCartney thread. I've got no problem with that being your view - you're entitled to it - no dramas.

But let's not dress it up as something else!

[Ozza]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Power to all the Woofers. I love all the different views. As Claude Levi-Strauss the French anthropologist and ethnologist said "The wise man doesn't give the right answers, he poses the right questions". Got taught that at school many years ago. Always wanted to use it even if it not appropriate.

Sounds like Claude was passing the buck!

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Sounds like Claude was passing the buck!

Ha ha. Could be on the money there too Ozza.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

You may not be directly saying it - but you have referred to right now as being like the Rhode era on several threads for a few weeks, and you have bumped the 'pack your bags McCartney thread. I've got no problem with that being your view - you're entitled to it - no dramas.

But let's not dress it up as something else!

Sorry to clear things up, what I've said twice is that I feel like I did around 30 games in within the Rhode empire. I'm talking about my feelings, nothing more or less, just my feelings. I'm have never suggested that Macca is akin to Rhode, if I did, I be hit with an unloseable defamation claim!

As for bumping the thread, if you go back, I think I said in the bump that I wasn't endorsing the title. What I also said was when this thread started it soon turned into a Macca love thread, many coming back to chirp about the stupidity of the thread. I might have also said that moving of sentiment was in effect a barometer of where we as members where about Macca. Thus it made sense to test any change in sentiment on this thread, despite the title being rediculous. Had the thread been called 'Womack & Womack are really good' I would have bumped it as it's the context of testing our sentiments over nearly 12 months. I think I explained it Westdog54 about 5 pages back if you want further clarification.

To summarise, it's 'my feelings' being like an historical about a point in time, no comparison was made with anyone, it's just trying to articulate a time where I felt something similar in the last major rebuild. The thread title was never endorsed and was bumped on the clear advice that I didn't endorse the title.

With the greatest of respect you've called me out for trying to dress things up. I've not done what you've alleged. What am I dressing up?

[Remi Moses]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I'm getting confused. But we are in agreeance (pace, good disposal, KPPs). Makes drafting hard when you need everything!

Love the passion BT.

[Topdog]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I dispute everything you have said here, particularly the bolded parts..

So you think allowing Freo to have 2 loose men in the backline just mopping up all our i50's is a good move?

[Topdog]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

You can't question the team's endeavour and the stats across the board show we get our fair share of possession.
McCartney has got that part of the equation right.

But...we play without any poise or incisiveness and our skills are often embarrassingly poor.
That is McCartney's problem.

Yep and it is entirely possible that McCartney has taken us as far as he can.

Happy for him to see the year out but we need to see improvement.

[jeemak]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

So you think allowing Freo to have 2 loose men in the backline just mopping up all our i50's is a good move?

Just as a matter of curiosity, what happened to us on the rebound when we managed to keep numbers even across the ground? From what I recall we got scored against quite easily.

Not saying one is right over the other, just that there's always a reaction to any action you decide to take on a footy field and it's not always positive - even if it is the obvious thing to do.

[Mantis]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Just as a matter of curiosity, what happened to us on the rebound when we managed to keep numbers even across the ground? From what I recall we got scored against quite easily.

Do we have anyone of any size smart enough to play the loose man role?

I watched Crameri run around like a headless chook trying to plug gaps as the loose man during different parts of the game.... It was embarrassing.

[jeemak]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Do we have anyone of any size smart enough to play the loose man role?

I watched Crameri run around like a headless chook trying to plug gaps as the loose man during different parts of the game.... It was embarrassing.

Wood reads the play well enough, and is able to run out but his disposal is an issue. Plus, he's great at defending a number of different types of forwards.

Agree that Crameri didn't seem suited to the role.

[Mofra]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Wood reads the play well enough, and is able to run out but his disposal is an issue. Plus, he's great at defending a number of different types of forwards.

Agree that Crameri didn't seem suited to the role.

Wood did it against the Suns, bravely got crunched blocking the hole.

If I had to back anyone on the list in for the spare man role, I'd nominate Stringer. Uses it well, reads the play and has the size to impact on a contest.

I did note that Lyon went with a 5 man forward line at the opening bounce and at the start of quarters - the style of game that was going to be played would never be a shootout.