Pack your bags McCartney...

[jeemak]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

It's a tough industry, I know I couldn't do it. But in the cut throat world of the AFL, the club's administration needs to ask:

a) How is the forward line functioning?
b) Are Grant's plans being executed regularly by the players? (If not)
c) Is Grant's message now not having effect anymore?

The reality is coaches have a relatively short life from my reading of things. Players respond to some better than others (See Matt White at Port Adelaide this year) and some coaches are great at finding ways of motivating players. I've heard John Northey and Rob Walls were great speech makers and could fire the boys up, only problem is, at some point it becomes 'old' and doesn't have the effect to the same level.

I think Grant must have a better plan than what is being executed. So following the questions above, the next question is are the players listening anymore or is Grant's ability to educate them so reduced and/or limited to render him ineffectual as a coach?

I didn't mean to isolate Grant, but the issue is everyone need be looked at and for the assistants, how the players are playing or responding on field is a key KPI. To Macca, all many of us are saying is help him develop as a senior coach, give him more support and work to the end goal. I didn't hear Buckley saying no to his club giving him Eade, nor did I hear Hird say no to Bomber assisting him. It's not a negative, it need not be a reflection of negativity.

I think they're reasonable questions. I'd add one or two more - Do we have the personnel to execute the plan, is the plan itself worth pursuing and if so should we find personnel who can execute it if the personnel we have at our disposal can't?

Just going on the record, I don't have an issue with getting BMac an experienced assistant to help out with game day tactics, but at this point I'm not going to suggest doing so would be the absolutely best use of our resource base, which is of course scarce relative to some of our competitors. If someone can convince me that it is, then I'm all for it as I agree it's most definitely not a negative thing to do.

As for the assistant panel, I think gradual turnover is required to bring new ideas and new methods to the club and I would think that after three years at the helm Bmac should seriously consider bringing in new blood.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I think they're reasonable questions. I'd add one or two more - Do we have the personnel to execute the plan, is the plan itself worth pursuing and if so should we find personnel who can execute it if the personnel we have at our disposal can't?

Just going on the record, I don't have an issue with getting BMac an experienced assistant to help out with game day tactics, but at this point I'm not going to suggest doing so would be the absolutely best use of our resource base, which is of course scarce relative to some of our competitors. If someone can convince me that it is, then I'm all for it as I agree it's most definitely not a negative thing to do.

As for the assistant panel, I think gradual turnover is required to bring new ideas and new methods to the club and I would think that after three years at the helm Bmac should seriously consider bringing in new blood.

And here it is, twenty posts together, we completely agree!

[jeemak]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

And here it is, twenty posts together, we completely agree!

It's horrible.

[DISHLICKERS]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I am far from convinced that Macca and assistants are the right people. Would love more than anything to be proven wrong.

It has been 2.5 years and I have not seen anything that suggests to me we have developed under the current regime. Seems to me Melbourne has even gone past us but Port definately has.

All I have heard is we are in this phase and that phase we will now start to learn about how to go about this area of our game, we need to learn to hang in there for longer etc. Cliches to keep the wolves at bay.

Where were we ranked in contested football last year? Where are we this year?

I had earmarked the last 6 weeks of football as a real indicator on how far we have come under Macca. I fear it has been a wasted 2 years. Hope I am wrong.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

It's horrible.

Where's the love?

Let's hug and cry it out.

[jeemak]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Where's the love?

Let's hug and cry it out.

Hahaha, it's an emotional time!

[Remi Moses]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Are we really going to get a "be like me I celebrate the numbers of games I've watched us lose post in every thread"?

Nobody is enjoying seeing us lose mate!

[Remi Moses]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Discussion is a good thing. This club appointed Peter Rhode, the team agreed to corner Jade Rawlings in a crap deal, piss away picks and allow Brown to walk and nearly send West and Gilbee packing. I'd like to think that those of us screaming back then were justified and perhaps knew more about things than the board. Time will tell who is 'right' or who is 'wrong', but simply being in authority doesn't in and of itself mean they are right or wrong. There's nothing wrong with questioning authority in a considered way. Most posters on WOOF generally explain to the best of their ability why they have the opinion they do, and that's a good thing.

All for discussion, but equating the Rohde era to this one is just utter nonsense.
The cattle in the Rohde era wasn't the issue, the effort was deplorable.
The cattle in this era just isn't up to it. The jury is out on McCartney ( obviously)

[Scorlibo]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Playing Gia as a permanent sub is quantifiable, and it's not working and needs to stop.
Allowing Freo to have one or two loose backman doesn't test any player
Not responding to midfield rotations is quantifiable
Not moving Griffen around when he was clearly getting smashed doesn't do much for anyone
Making Minson ruck one out for years is unfair more than anything

I dispute everything you have said here, particularly the bolded parts. Gia consistently comes on and has an impact - he doesn't have to win every game for us like he did with the Richmond game. Minson was All-Australian last year rucking by himself, and until Tom Campbell or Ayce Cordy knock the door down at Footscray, they shouldn't be gifted games in the second ruck role.

I hate this thread in a way that I don't usually hate web pages. After every loss the same posters fire up, it doesn't matter who we've played or even how we've played. 'Pack your bags McCartney' as a title is so far removed from how I feel about the coach and the progress of the team that I feel embarrassed to be a part of the forum.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

All for discussion, but equating the Rohde era to this one is just utter nonsense.
The cattle in the Rohde era wasn't the issue, the effort was deplorable.
The cattle in this era just isn't up to it. The jury is out on McCartney ( obviously)

Perhaps I was unclear. I did not say Macca or his team are akin to Rhode and his team.

What I said was simply being authority doesn't mean they're right or wrong. To illustrate the point, I suggested those in authority who appointed Rhode and let him harm the club were not right. Ergo, power or authority doesn't automatically mean someone is right, and that people discussing concerns is not a bad thing.

Utter nonsense...

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

Are we really going to get a "be like me I celebrate the numbers of games I've watched us lose post in every thread"?

I don't think anyone has said that Greystache. I haven't read of anyone who celebrates a loss as you say. But what it is we all have different ways in handling defeat. Some yell from the rafters others don't. That is what makes WOOF a great place.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I dispute everything you have said here, particularly the bolded parts. Gia consistently comes on and has an impact - he doesn't have to win every game for us like he did with the Richmond game. Minson was All-Australian last year rucking by himself, and until Tom Campbell or Ayce Cordy knock the door down at Footscray, they shouldn't be gifted games in the second ruck role.

Cool, we disagree.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

No issue with discussing concerns . I've got my own
There's one or two posts saying this smells of the rohde era.
You can't compare this list of players to the list we now have.
No issue with supporters concerns.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

No issue with discussing concerns . I've got my own
There's one or two posts saying this smells of the rohde era.
You can't compare this list of players to the list we now have.
No issue with supporters concerns.

I'm not comparing anything..... I'm simply saying being in a position authority doesn't ipso facto make you right or wrong. I can't be much clearer.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

I'm not comparing anything..... I'm simply saying being in a position authority doesn't ipso facto make you right or wrong. I can't be much clearer.

I've got no idea what you're talking about
I actually didn't call you out BT.Someone made a statement that this smelt of Rohde, and I've said this list compared to Rohdes are poles apart. A position of authority doesn't make everything right( if that's your point) but the title of the thread is absurd( incredibly started early last season) Decisions have been made that some disagree on and others agree, but to turf McCartney out now is short sighted and to be honest a new coach wouldn't improve our lot markedly next season.
1. Improve our defending outside a stoppage
2. Run and carry ( need players who play both ways)
3. Disposal into 50 needs massive work
4 . Need a decent forward