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  • The Doctor
    Coaching Staff
    • Jan 2007
    • 3702

    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
    I can see what Brendan wants but he hasn't go the blokes to implement it.
    Please explain what he wants and which blokes aren't good enough to implement it
    Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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    • LostDoggy
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8307

      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

      I don't know what Macca wants but I do know the leadership is well aware we need a number1 forward to progress and we simply don't have a good one on our list. Jones is a good third or at best ok second tall. Thats not a knock - thats where his skill set lies. Williams is another stop gap. Macca can do so much with the cattle but we need that role and there are 4 other clubs at the bottom with us looking for the same player type.

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      • Remi Moses
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 14785

        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

        Which blokes aren't good enough to implement any plan
        From the back line....

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        • 1eyedog
          Hall of Fame
          • Mar 2008
          • 13191

          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

          Which blokes are?

          Roughead, Higgins, Murphy, Picken, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Morris, Griffen, Cooney, Wood, Macrae, Liberatore, Minson and Boyd are all very capable (albeit some are out of form) footballers capable of implementing the plan (I hope they know what it is because I don't).

          Hrovat, Stringer, Hunter and Bonts who are all young highly likely types on the fringes. That's 18 very decent players right there.

          We've lost 3 games by less than 10 points and could easily be 6 wins and 5 losses and be on the cusp of the 8. I thought we were right in it against North as well.

          Would everyone be happy if we were 6/5 regardless of how ugly our brand of football was? St. Kilda fans certainly were when the made the GF under Lyon.
          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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          • The Underdog
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Aug 2007
            • 6809

            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

            Originally posted by 1eyedog
            Which blokes are?

            Roughead, Higgins, Murphy, Picken, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Morris, Griffen, Cooney, Wood, Macrae, Liberatore, Minson and Boyd are all very capable (albeit some are out of form) footballers capable of implementing the plan (I hope they know what it is because I don't).

            Hrovat, Stringer, Hunter and Bonts who are all young highly likely types on the fringes. That's 18 very decent players right there.

            We've lost 3 games by less than 10 points and could easily be 6 wins and 5 losses and be on the cusp of the 8. I thought we were right in it against North as well.

            Would everyone be happy if we were 6/5 regardless of how ugly our brand of football was? St. Kilda fans certainly were when the made the GF under Lyon.
            We also could easily be 1-10 if we'd dropped the Richmond game which was looking pretty likely with 5 minutes to go & if Melbourne had of converted a couple of easy shots they blew at the end of that game. We also won the GWS game with one big final quarter.
            It goes both ways, but a 6-5 record would be a lie. However you look at it, we are a bottom 5 side and not likely to make it out of there in a hurry. The final score on Saturday night flattered us no end.
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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34316

              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

              Originally posted by 1eyedog
              Which blokes are?

              Roughead, Higgins, Murphy, Picken, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Morris, Griffen, Cooney, Wood, Macrae, Liberatore, Minson and Boyd are all very capable (albeit some are out of form) footballers capable of implementing the plan (I hope they know what it is because I don't).

              Hrovat, Stringer, Hunter and Bonts who are all young highly likely types on the fringes. That's 18 very decent players right there.

              We've lost 3 games by less than 10 points and could easily be 6 wins and 5 losses and be on the cusp of the 8. I thought we were right in it against North as well.

              Would everyone be happy if we were 6/5 regardless of how ugly our brand of football was? St. Kilda fans certainly were when the made the GF under Lyon.
              Post 666...
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              • azabob
                Hall of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 15213

                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                Post 666...
                Devil is in the detail BT, devil is in the detail
                More of an In Bruges guy?

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                • Ghost Dog
                  WOOF Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 9404

                  Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                  Originally posted by The Doctor
                  Please explain what he wants and which blokes aren't good enough to implement it
                  He wants a side that gets their own ball. He wants versitile players that can be moved around the ground. He wants players that have both an inside and an outside game. Who's thriving under his gameplan? Picken, Addison (was ) Morris, Liberatore, Mitch Wallis ( you can argue against that, but Mitch has kept Natt Fyfe and a few other stars to single figures this season ) Will Minson ( drop in form of late, but has had a good go in the Mac era ) Luke Dahlhaus is another.
                  Players who have not done so well in the McCartney era, Christian Howard, Tutt, or anyone else who has a tendency to run past a contest.

                  The problem is if you don't get it cleanly out of your back half or have the polish to create scoring opportunities, all the contested work is for nothing. The fumbles and lack of cool under pressure is killing us.

                  Why can't we just go in small against Collingwood? Gia always seems to be able to find a way. Is our midfield doing enough to score, themselves, and have a shot over the defence?
                  You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                  • Scorlibo
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3075

                    Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                    Originally posted by 1eyedog
                    Which blokes are?

                    Roughead, Higgins, Murphy, Picken, Crameri, Dahlhaus, Morris, Griffen, Cooney, Wood, Macrae, Liberatore, Minson and Boyd are all very capable (albeit some are out of form) footballers capable of implementing the plan (I hope they know what it is because I don't).

                    Hrovat, Stringer, Hunter and Bonts who are all young highly likely types on the fringes. That's 18 very decent players right there.

                    We've lost 3 games by less than 10 points and could easily be 6 wins and 5 losses and be on the cusp of the 8. I thought we were right in it against North as well.

                    Would everyone be happy if we were 6/5 regardless of how ugly our brand of football was? St. Kilda fans certainly were when the made the GF under Lyon.
                    And in 2009, our brand of football was arguably uglier than St Kilda's. From memory, we were the number one contested ball side, number one defence. The prelim that year was heart-wrenching, but it was a classic battle, great football. I could say the same for a number of game from around that time from the Doggies and the Saints.
                    'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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                    • Greystache
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9775

                      Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                      Originally posted by Scorlibo
                      And in 2009, our brand of football was arguably uglier than St Kilda's. From memory, we were the number one contested ball side, number one defence. The prelim that year was heart-wrenching, but it was a classic battle, great football. I could say the same for a number of game from around that time from the Doggies and the Saints.
                      Not even close. We had the highest points scored against total of all top 6 teams. St Kilda were well over 500 points less than us.
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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 66215

                        Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                        Originally posted by Scorlibo
                        And in 2009, our brand of football was arguably uglier than St Kilda's. From memory, we were the number one contested ball side, number one defence. The prelim that year was heart-wrenching, but it was a classic battle, great football. I could say the same for a number of game from around that time from the Doggies and the Saints.
                        People forget that and think the style then was purely run run run.
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                        • Greystache
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9775

                          Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          People forget that and think the style then was purely run run run.
                          It was, see above.
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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66215

                            Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                            Originally posted by Greystache
                            It was, see above.
                            We were second in cont possessions to Geelong and Saints were third. Yes you are right about scoring.
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                            Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                            • Scorlibo
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 3075

                              Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                              Originally posted by Greystache
                              Not even close. We had the highest points scored against total of all top 6 teams. St Kilda were well over 500 points less than us.
                              Which had us placed 6th in points against! Point taken, but as BAD says, we weren't all run. We were a contested ball side, that was what we were good at. Creating stoppages and winning them, putting numbers around the ball. It was tight, hard football.
                              'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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                              • Ghost Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 9404

                                Re: Pack your bags McCartney...

                                I hate the fact we have to come out and state ' oh don't worry, we have plenty of fight'. Of course we bloody well have. We are the Bulldogs. We are bred to not give in, and that's a symbol of what we are.
                                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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