Where to with Trade/Draft Strategy from Here?

[Bornadog]

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Bulldogs online are reporting

The Western Bulldogs have agreed to release Midfielder Jason Tutt and is set to sign with Carlton on a 2 Year Deal

We would like to thank Jason for his Service to the Western Bulldogs Football Club

From AFL.com.au

CARLTON is set to sign forward Jason Tutt in the pre-season draft after the Western Bulldogs reportedly agreed to release the speedster.
The Blues chased the 23-year-old and Bulldogs forward Liam Jones in the recent NAB AFL Trade Period, but only Jones made it to Visy Park.

However, Tutt's manager Nick Gieschen has told the Herald Sun that Tutt is also headed to Carlton.

"He is definitely going to Carlton, we have got it sorted out in the last few days," Gieschen said.

"The Dogs wanted to give the new coach the chance to sit down with him, but they knew he was keen to go so they released him."

The Blues have reportedly offered Tutt a two-year deal and hope to pick him up in the pre-season draft on December 3.


Tutt has played 26 games and booted 22 goals for the Dogs since he was taken with pick No.31 in the 2009 draft.

He would be the fifth player Carlton has recruited from rival clubs this off-sesaon following the acquisitions of Kristian Jaksch (GWS), Mark Whiley (GWS), Matthew Dick (Sydney Swans) and Jones.

The Blues are expecting to use picks 19, 28, 61 and 65 in the upcoming national draft on November 27.

[Bornadog]

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Three ex Bulldogs at Carlton, they must be desperate.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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What on earth are Carlton doing?

Their list management has been atrocious in the last 2 years considering the state of their god awful list.

[Twodogs]

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What about his twitter account?

[jeemak]

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I actually think Tutt is the best chance of making a career at the Blues, compared to Jones.

His goal kicking to games ratio is pretty good for a player that didn't get a lot of senior chances on our list, especially considering those goals didn't come from having a long term dedicated forward role.

Would have preferred to keep him on the list, but I can't help but think his hands in close will always be a limiting issue for his career.

Good luck Jason.

[1eyedog]

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What on earth are Carlton doing?

Their list management has been atrocious in the last 2 years considering the state of their god awful list.

Maybe - but its not a disaster for them. Their list is so so and they will suffer without Waite (and Betts) for goals as their midfielders are generally not goal kickers but on the flip side they got Jones when many on this forum wanted to retain him and they got him cheap in real word thinking. In truth we got slight unders and they got a (prospective) key position - not a bad decision after the exodus of Waite as he is effectively (potentially and at best) an early 20-something Waite (which isn't so bad for us). Tutt, he costs bugger all other than a slightly painful pick 31. I think we were actually keen to keep him as well. Still, me preferring Jong to Tutt because of his hardness and commitment (which I value over Tutt's attributes) sorta says to me that Tutt is surplus to our needs.

The two young GWS players are excellent signings for them and will most likely be very good players over the next 8-10 years. They still have a few decent draft picks so they will be thereabouts again. i just think Carlton are suffering from the draft concessions they faced many years ago - they have never recovered which is odd given the so-called 'messiahs' that have governed there.

[G-Mo77]

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Another poster, perhaps The Underdog mentioned Pearce hadn't been seen in any pre-season footage, so maybe one more to come?

Yeah I heard when all the stuff with Griffen was unfolding that he was wanting to explore his options. No loss if he goes IMO.

Maybe Carlton want him

[Maddog37]

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Carlton speak of filling gaps in their age profile. Seems to me they are topping up with average battlers. Mick will need to weave his magic.

[G-Mo77]

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Another poster, perhaps The Underdog mentioned Pearce hadn't been seen in any pre-season footage, so maybe one more to come?

Oh, just was told the guys who played in the VFL GF have a couple more weeks off. Pearce obviously is one of them

[F'scary]

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What about his twitter account?

If Pearce has a twitter account maybe there is some info there.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Where to with Trade/Draft Strategy from Here?

Bulldogs online are reporting

The Western Bulldogs have agreed to release Midfielder Jason Tutt and is set to sign with Carlton on a 2 Year Deal

We would like to thank Jason for his Service to the Western Bulldogs Football Club

Seem to be on my own but I was hoping Tutt stayed. Before his injury this year he had played some good games. Reckon his best is still to come too. Time will tell.

[Twodogs]

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If Pearce has a twitter account maybe there is some info there.

Gotcha. I thought you meant he'd posted he was staying/going on his account.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Maybe - but its not a disaster for them. Their list is so so and they will suffer without Waite (and Betts) for goals as their midfielders are generally not goal kickers but on the flip side they got Jones when many on this forum wanted to retain him and they got him cheap in real word thinking. In truth we got slight unders and they got a (prospective) key position - not a bad decision after the exodus of Waite as he is effectively (potentially and at best) an early 20-something Waite (which isn't so bad for us). Tutt, he costs bugger all other than a slightly painful pick 31. I think we were actually keen to keep him as well. Still, me preferring Jong to Tutt because of his hardness and commitment (which I value over Tutt's attributes) sorta says to me that Tutt is surplus to our needs.

The two young GWS players are excellent signings for them and will most likely be very good players over the next 8-10 years. They still have a few decent draft picks so they will be thereabouts again. i just think Carlton are suffering from the draft concessions they faced many years ago - they have never recovered which is odd given the so-called 'messiahs' that have governed there.

I can understand Jaksch and Jones, but let's not get carried away. Both have done very little at AFL level. Jaksch was a high draft pick but that counts for little, I don't see him becoming a star and Whiley was thrown in as steak knives. Both may make it but they aren't certainties. They'll be hoping these two DO become very good players - if they don't it's going to hurt.

Jones is an extremely limited player. No footy IQ and poor endurance still plague him. Hard to see either improving much, or enough, for him to become a consistent quality player. However, worth the risk for Carlton.

Tutt is below average and simply won't make it. I know he has his fans, but the only thing he brings is pace. His disposal is overrated, particularly at AFL level where time and space simply aren't afforded all that often. His ball handling skills are atrocious. He buckles under pressure. I have nothing against him, and I know he costs Carlton nothing, but why pick up another reject? They have enough delist material to last them for the next 2-4 years as it is.

Carlton have picks 19, 28. 61 and 79. For a team that should be rebuilding that is terrible.

Their quality young players are as follows: Menzel, Buckley and maybe Cripps, Docherty and Jaksch. I may be missing one or two but it's easy to see that their quality of youth is extremely thin when you compare it to most other clubs. They should have been doing what us, St. Kilda and Melbourne have been doing - securing earlier draft picks and loading up on young talent. Instead, they've taken Thomas (overpaid and finished), Everitt (average), Jones (average), Tutt (ordinary), Dick (unseen) and Whiley (unseen) to fill a missing age gap for the sake of it.

Judd, Simpson and Carazzo are in their best 5-10 and will be finished within a couple of years. IMO the only thing they are achieving is ensuring they don't get anywhere NEAR challenging for a Premiership whilst guaranteeing they don't completely bottom out. In other words - no mans land.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier about it

[Remi Moses]

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I still don't think they know where they sit in the scheme of things.
I'd say besides Menzel they haven't got any quality standout kids.
Got a few okay types ,but no " star" factor.
Tutt might play a few decent games, but he's no standout.

[Doc26]

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Seem to be on my own but I was hoping Tutt stayed. Before his injury this year he had played some good games. Reckon his best is still to come too. Time will tell.

No you're not on your own B4L.

I feel that we have had a systematic failure in effectively developing our kids and in embedding a game plan that might be at least partially unpredictable to our opponents. It is in part for this reason that I hope we can identify someone other than Montgomery to lead us out of this dilemma as he along with others must take blame for this.

If as suggested Beveridge is a great identifier of talented support staff then this must be a big tick for him.

I would love to have kept both Jones and Tutt, moreso Jones, on for another season under a revamped coaching panel that hopefully will be more successful in developing not only our young talent but also what is now left of our senior guys and work on a structure that gives us some chance to progress..