2018 Tour of South Africa

[Topdog]

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12 months ban form all forms of cricket is OTT.

They should be allowed to continue to play Shield cricket at a minimum and Big Bash. The irony is that Smith may now seek a County contract which will see him spend a Summer in England honing his game ahead of the Ashes next year.......

I hope they seek an independent review

Yeah that is how i saw it too, think 12 months off Australian team which i believe is only a handful of test matches would have been right

[Sedat]

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I'd bet money that they guys will challenge this.

I'm also betting on a Dave Warner tell-all interview when he gets back to Australia - for once in his career, it will be interesting to hear him talk.

An awful lot of former players (Australians and other nations) are openly questioning the validity of the one-off defence, as well as the "only 3 people knew" story. Lehmann in an interview earlier in the series talked about how important reverse swing was and that he was comfortable pushing the line on what's legal (or words to that effect). The cover-up is always worse than the crime.

[hujsh]

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That's your decision. But condemning Australia for cheating but not other teams for doing the same also makes you a hypocrite. The ICC did find them guilty, and they were punished, just as Australia has been. They were just treated totally differently by the media and the public.

Feel free to call it out if I don't.

[Ozza]

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12 months seems incredibly harsh given that the previous ball tampering incidents in world cricket haven’t resulted in punishments even close to that. It is quite obvious that Cricket Australia want to be seen to be making such a strong stance on it that they categorically avoid any suggestion that they are looking after their own too much. I also think that the negative perception of the team and its behaviour has (unofficially) impacted the severity of the punishments.

One thing that it does hopefully do - is set a new benchmark for how the test playing nations view ball tampering, so that the next time the nations whose players have done it before (like South Africa multiple times) - are involved in this type of incident, hopefully it is treated seriously and severely, unlike how it has been previously.

[Greystache]

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One thing that it does hopefully do - is set a new benchmark for how the test playing nations view ball tampering, so that the next time the nations whose players have done it before (like South Africa multiple times) - are involved in this type of incident, hopefully it is treated seriously and severely, unlike how it has been previously.

Not a chance in hell! Which is what makes our virtue signalling so pathetic. We've seen numerous times other countries rally around their players and protest the charges, their media whips the public into a frenzy of support, and they create an us against them view until it blows over. It's been that way for decades, and it'll be that way for decades to come. We even had clowns like Robert Craddock dismissing South Africa's ball tampering against us as "a bad look, but it's so common these days you just accept it", except obviously when it's one of his own then he's calling for a long term bans.

All we've done is paint a target on ourselves as the only team who's been guilty of ball tampering when in fact we're one of the rarest offenders. We'll cop it forever and a day, both from an accusation point of view, and as being on the receiving end on the field of play from other teams doing it. But hey we've given the self-loathing public something to hate themselves a bit more for, and as Essendon would say- Whatever it takes.

[Topdog]

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The BCCI banning them is absolutely laughable

[Greystache]

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The BCCI banning them is absolutely laughable

We've enabled this sort of action with our moral posturing and appeasing of the hate filled. Other countries just see weakness now and they'll pile on. The follow on is the ICC will smash Australia in the future for things they'd overlook from other countries.

We may as well sit out of the sport for a while.

[Twodogs]

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We've enabled this sort of action with our moral posturing and appeasing of the hate filled. Other countries just see weakness now and they'll pile on. The follow on is the ICC will smash Australia in the future for things they'd overlook from other countries.

We may as well sit out of the sport for a while.

It's either that or we drop the entire team and pick a test team based on sportsmanship as I heard someone text in to one of the radio stations.

The outraged mob have done their job and now they have moved on

[jeemak]

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This is from The Age:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/how-does-australians-punishment-stack-up-to-previous-ball-tamperers-20180329-p4z6tv.html

My take from this is there needs to be common agreement from governing bodies on what the punishment should be for these incidents. Getting everyone aligned, and willing to accept rulings of an independent body will be the hard part.

[Greystache]

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This is from The Age:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/how-does-australians-punishment-stack-up-to-previous-ball-tamperers-20180329-p4z6tv.html

My take from this is there needs to be common agreement from governing bodies on what the punishment should be for these incidents. Getting everyone aligned, and willing to accept rulings of an independent body will be the hard part.

You mean like the ICC and its tribunal? Australia is far too virtuous the adopt the standards of the rest of the world.

[jeemak]

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You mean like the ICC and its tribunal? Australia is far too virtuous the adopt the standards of the rest of the world.

We can all agree the ICC is a joke, that panders to the BCCI and mollycoddles the second and third tier nations because they need them to pad out the international competition. What I'm suggesting is a body independent of the ICC that objectively determines punishments. Of course it will be exposed to corruption the minute it's implemented.

I'm glad we have taken a harder stance than what other national bodies have in the past. I'm slowly getting the impression you might not be........

[jeemak]

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Magellan has now ended its Australian cricket sponsorship. Three year deal worth $20M. Is the ACB still virtue signalling?

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/magellan-dumps-cricket-australia-sponsorship-deal-20180329-p4z6u2.html

Magellan chief executive and co-founder Hamish Douglass was blunt in explaining why the group had ended its deal with Cricket Australia. The initial partnership had been based on "shared values and reputations of integrity, leadership, dedication and an uwavering customer-first culture".
"A conspiracy by the leadership of the Australian Men's Test Cricket Team which broke the rules with a clear intention to gain an unfair advantage during the third Test in South Africa goes to the heart of integrity," Mr Douglass said.
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[Bulldog Joe]

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Magellan has now ended its Australian cricket sponsorship. Three year deal worth $20M. Is the ACB still virtue signalling?

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/magellan-dumps-cricket-australia-sponsorship-deal-20180329-p4z6u2.html

Magellan chief executive and co-founder Hamish Douglass was blunt in explaining why the group had ended its deal with Cricket Australia. The initial partnership had been based on "shared values and reputations of integrity, leadership, dedication and an uwavering customer-first culture".
"A conspiracy by the leadership of the Australian Men's Test Cricket Team which broke the rules with a clear intention to gain an unfair advantage during the third Test in South Africa goes to the heart of integrity," Mr Douglass said.
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I am somewhat cynical of Magellan's action on this.

What they have done is maximise their exposure as keepers of the moral faith, but also saved themselves large licks of money by withdrawing the sponsorship.

Maximum Exposure for Minimum outlay.

[Twodogs]

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I am somewhat cynical of Magellan's action on this.

What they have done is maximise their exposure as keepers of the moral faith, but also saved themselves large licks of money by withdrawing the sponsorship.

Maximum Exposure for Minimum outlay.

I was listening to News Radio about an hour ago. They mentioned Magellan five times inside 12 minutes, not bad exposure on a network that is paranoid about mentioning brandnames at best.

[Bulldog Joe]

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I was listening to News Radio about an hour ago. They mentioned Magellan five times inside 12 minutes, not bad exposure on a network that is paranoid about mentioning brandnames at best.

But also a network that loves to believe in the moral high ground.
Magellan getting positive exposure that they could afford to pay for.