ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

[Grantysghost]

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Which part? The part where over is not called, the ball is coming at your stumps as a live ball and you wander down the pitch?

What’s next? Upset is there’s a run out and the English player hasn’t grounded his bat but it was over the line? Because, you know, he made the distance so what does being grounded in your crease really mean?

I don’t understand the fuss, quite honestly.

He wasn't gaining any game advantage. It's just a common sense thing.
I mean a warning yep, say mate next time we appeal that's how I'd expect it to go.

Not a big deal though to me we move on.

[Grantysghost]

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Wow, imagine Gideon Haigh of all people calling people "puce faced dim bulb snobs". Insert Spiderman meme here.

I mean, he's not wrong, but come on.

Gideon what a name.

[Bulldog Joe]

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McCullum: We’d never take a wicket like that

Article I’m reading: Both Bairstow & McCullum have dismissed batsmen in the exact same way

Situation ethics at its best.

I don't understand how they accept Duckett being clearly caught but finding a technicality in the rule to void the dismissal and then complain that another dismissal within the rule is against the spirit.

If Bairstow dismissal is against the spirit so definitely is the voiding of the Duckett dismissal.

[EasternWest]

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So i went to bed....did we switch up the bowling?

I don't believe so. We were always going to knock over the tail once Stokes was gone. They could've brought you and me on to finish them off.

It's like a mankad. You technically can do it, however you're a massive flog if you do.

I'm a bit of a cricket agnostic but I find it really weird the offense taken at actions within the rules of the game. Personally I love a mankad. You're trying to take an advantage as a batsman, why shouldn't there be a risk involved?

Which part? The part where over is not called, the ball is coming at your stumps as a live ball and you wander down the pitch?

I don?t understand the fuss, quite honestly.

Nailed it. Would Bairstow have just wandered off if Carey was keeping at the stumps? Hell no, he'd be there till over was called. He's out. Tell your story walking mate.

He wasn't gaining any game advantage. It's just a common sense thing.
I mean a warning yep, say mate next time we appeal that's how I'd expect it to go.

Not a big deal though to me we move on.

As victors.

I don't understand how they accept Duckett being clearly caught but finding a technicality in the rule to void the dismissal and then complain that another dismissal within the rule is against the spirit.

If Bairstow dismissal is against the spirit so definitely is the voiding of the Duckett dismissal.

It's a fantastic irony, a solid hit of whataboutism (from the poms I mean) in the same game. If you want one, you have to accept both.

[Grantysghost]

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The entitled twats in the long room mein gott that's crazy.
Needs to be more separation there.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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He wasn't gaining any game advantage. It's just a common sense thing.
I mean a warning yep, say mate next time we appeal that's how I'd expect it to go.

Not a big deal though to me we move on.

Bairstow had been immediately walking out of his crease for a few overs. I don't think a warning is needed. Carey threw at the stumps straight away. Is it on him to decipher if Bairstow is attempting a sneaky run? What if Bairstow advanced down the pitch in an atte.pt to smash it down the grkund and missed it? Is he entitled to just continue his march because its the end of the over? Now of course he obviously wasn't but the guy needs to wait at least a couple seconds before trotting off. He won't be doing it again.

I can underatand the poms being displeased but after the Starc decision we're even and they need to suck it up as both are within the laws apparently.

[Bornadog]

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So i went to bed....did we switch up the bowling?

We did change our tactics bowling to Stoke. He got most of his 4s and 6s when we bowled on his Leg side. We then started bowling on his off side and the runs dried up and he was very frustrated.

[azabob]

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We did change our tactics bowling to Stoke. He got most of his 4s and 6s when we bowled on his Leg side. We then started bowling on his off side and the runs dried up and he was very frustrated.

Adam White also gives a good insight into how we bowled and set the field to Stokes.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2YAJlouuaJhISBH1CV5FGF?si=551ac31764cd43b0

[GVGjr]

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It's probably not in the true spirit of the game but as others have pointed out had Carey been standing up to the stumps and a stumping had occurred it would be regarded as brilliant keeping not a controversial one. Close games or even spiteful ones will have people looking for whatever edge they can get. Lets not forget that Carey threw the ball at the stumps earlier in the over and that was Jonny's warning that it was on.
I seem to recall a Shield game where David Hookes was getting shitty about a batsman out of his crease so organised for the bowler to bowl a wide delivery and for Hookes to catch the ball at 1st slip rather than the keeper and then throw down the stumps as a dismissal that was regarded as both brilliant but also controversial. This was done to ensure that it could not be called dead ball. I'm not sure if Hookes had warned the batsman before it or not but in close and tense games those gentleman agreements go out the window.

Back to the wider game, we were the better team for the majority of the game but we bowled and fielded poorly when things were tight along with some frustrating captaincy as well. Smith dropping that very easy catch could have been so costly.
The pats on the back for Ben Stokes from the Australians when he was eventually dismissed showed that sportsmanship is not dead.
The same with genuine concern for Jimmy Anderson when he was struck in the head.

Great game of cricket and the way England went about trying to win it was impressive.

For the the 3rd test I'd consider dropping Hazlewood only because of his workload and just a 3 day break and of course Lyon for Neser and Boland but I suspect Murphy will be selected.

[angelopetraglia]

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The entitled twats in the long room mein gott that's crazy.
Needs to be more separation there.

They are supposed to be "gentlemen" so it wasn't historically required. But it looks like they have now forfeited that right. What a disgrace they were last night.

I definitely wasn't going to be after seeing that last night, stayed up and smiled with great delight as we went up two nil.

[Bornadog]

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Cummins:

“You see Jonny do it all the time,” Cummins said. “He did it day one to David Warner. He did it to Steve [Smith] in 2019. It’s a really common things for keepers to do if they see a batter keep leaving the crease.

[GVGjr]

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They are supposed to be "gentlemen" so it wasn't historically required. But it looks like they have now forfeited that right. What a disgrace they were last night.

I definitely wasn't going to be after seeing that last night, stayed up and smiled with great delight as we went up two nil.

Lets never assume that when sports fans wear ties, suits and posh hats that there will be a level of dignity in their conduct in a tight game when some decisions don't go their way.

[GVGjr]

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Adam White also gives a good insight into how we bowled and set the field to Stokes.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2YA...1ac31764cd43b0

Whitey has nailed it perfectly.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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We did change our tactics bowling to Stoke. He got most of his 4s and 6s when we bowled on his Leg side. We then started bowling on his off side and the runs dried up and he was very frustrated.

I heard Ponting getting very frustrated at this aspect of our bowling. Then they put up a graphic showing 95% of his runs had come from the leg side. Not sure why it took us so long to adjust but thankfully we did.

[Sedat]

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It's good to see Broady returning to his rightful position as the uber-villain - he is the Sean Connery to Ollie Robinson's George Lazenby.

Broady is a masterful troll. I can't help but love the way he (of all people) was winding up the Aussies about spirit of cricket.