ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

[Bornadog]

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Smith is one of the best cricketers I have ever seen. Love the way he approaches his cricket, his record speaks for itself. He is quirky, eccentric, ADHD the lot, but he is a brilliant player.

[Sedat]

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I had no issue with the Bairstow dismissal in the same way I had no issue with the Starc catch being given not out. Both decisions were umpired to the laws of the game, and if that's not enough to satisfy people, then I don't think anything will.

Whilst the dismissal was perfectly legal, and Bairstow is a bell-end and 100% culpable for not paying attention to where he was and to the umpires signalling the end of the over, IMO honestly it was a bit douchey by Carey to do that on the last ball of the over where the clear assumption is that the ball is dead. For mine, any other ball in the over and it is fair game, both legally and ethically (not just legally).

The comparison with the Starc catch is not relevant. The 3rd umpire adjudicated that catch without involvement from the batsman, who was already walking off and was instructed by the umpires to stay on the ground. It's apples and oranges. Nor is it relevant comparing this to not walking after nicking it - if that was the case, poor old Gilly would be playing cricket by himself, and I loved the sheer audacity of Broad not walking when he nicked it to first slip all those years ago.

Anyway test cricket is so much fun with this England team and not the inept team that toured Australia 2 summer ago with slow-ass duds like Hameed opening the batting. They are clearly not at the talent level of Australia but have pushed both matches to the limit, even with some idiotic and reckless batting in both matches that gave a sucker an even break. They need to temper the BS Bazball mantra and still respect good deliveries, without losing their overall aggressive intent.

[jeemak]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

You mean they need to play like Australia?

[Bornadog]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

Forgetting the controversies, England really stuffed up in their middle order. England were in a good position in the first innings until they lost something like 5/50 odd which left them just over 100 behind. From then on it was catch up cricket

[Sedat]

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You mean they need to play like Australia?

Almost. Australia are more talented and much better balanced across the board, so matching the Aussie style won't get it done. They need to be aggressive in all facets but not totally reckless - ego has clearly gotten the better of them, particularly with the bat. They would be 2-0 up if they batted more respectfully in the 2nd innings at Edgbaston and the 1st innings at Lords. Their batting in both these innings was more Shitball than Bazball. They could have gone at 4-5 runs per over working the singles/twos and putting the bad balls away, but they batted with unchecked arrogance and hubris both times they had the Aussies on the rack.

[EasternWest]

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Whilst the dismissal was perfectly legal, and Bairstow is a bell-end and 100% culpable for not paying attention to where he was and to the umpires signalling the end of the over, IMO honestly it was a bit douchey by Carey to do that on the last ball of the over where the clear assumption is that the ball is dead. For mine, any other ball in the over and it is fair game, both legally and ethically (not just legally).

Disagree. All balls are created equal.

The comparison with the Starc catch is not relevant. The 3rd umpire adjudicated that catch without involvement from the batsman, who was already walking off and was instructed by the umpires to stay on the ground. It's apples and oranges.

Disagree. If the metric to be used is going to be "that's the rules" then the rules also apply to Bairstow's wicket. The fact that they're different types of decisions is irrelevant.

Anyway test cricket is so much fun with this England team and not the inept team that toured Australia 2 summer ago with slow-ass duds like Hameed opening the batting. They are clearly not at the talent level of Australia but have pushed both matches to the limit, even with some idiotic and reckless batting in both matches that gave a sucker an even break. They need to temper the BS Bazball mantra and still respect good deliveries, without losing their overall aggressive intent.

Agree, test match cricket, and more specifically Ashes test match cricket, is so far advanced of any other form of cricket it's not funny.

[Grantysghost]

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Have you seen the 100!?

[Bornadog]

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[Bulldog Joe]

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The third umpire may have made the decision on the Starc catch but he also made the decision on the Bairstow dismissal

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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While we're at it, is doctoring a pitch so it suits the home team in the spirit of the game? This spirit thing seems open to interpretation. Do we need a laws book to define what is in the spirit of the game and what isn't?

[Grantysghost]

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The third umpire may have made the decision on the Starc catch but he also made the decision on the Bairstow dismissal

They are completely isolated and different incidents I don't get why anyone would draw a comparison.

Those catches if you're not sure it's not out for me.

[jeemak]

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While we're at it, is doctoring a pitch so it suits the home team in the spirit of the game? This spirit thing seems open to interpretation. Do we need a laws book to define what is in the spirit of the game and what isn't?

England are carrying on as if their toys have been taken away from them. Produce shit decks to take our bowling out of the game is extremely short sighted when your own bowling is featherweight.

They'd have been better off producing seaming wickets that Australians can often struggle on.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Agree, test match cricket, and more specifically Ashes test match cricket, is so far advanced of any other form of cricket it's not funny.

The only form of cricket I watch anymore are the ashes and the tests against India.

[jeemak]

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The British really do have glass jaws. But of course they'd have withdrawn the appeal if Bairstow had have hit the wickets when he did the exact thing Carey did.

I actually can't tell if this is a pisstake or if this guy's genuinely excusing the carry on from the old money shitheads in the Long Room.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/woke-australia-their-cut-throat-behaviour-sparked-death-of-decorum-at-lord-s-20230703-p5dla5.html

Woke Australia? Their cut-throat behaviour sparked death of decorum at Lord’s

[EasternWest]

Re: ASHES 2023 - 2nd TEST JUNE 28 - JULY 3, LORDS

They are completely isolated and different incidents I don't get why anyone would draw a comparison.

Those catches if you're not sure it's not out for me.

Again for the people in the nosebleeds: it's not comparing the wickets it's the application of the rules.