Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

[GVGjr]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Travis Head chases a wide one and is dismissed for 17. We are currently 4 for 217. We need a big score from Labuschagne and Marsh.

[lemmon]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Really enjoying the career resurgence of Mitch Marsh. Reminds me a little bit of the way Andrew Symonds resurrected his Test career when it looked like it wouldn't happen.

[D Mitchell]

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Big Bash cricket is just tripe to me. I haven't watched a game in years, but I'm not the demographic it's chasing. I fear though its popularity will die out relatively quickly and we'll be left with no cricket that anyone wants to watch over summer.

I'll bet you don't even start sentences with "Hey, guys"

[Bornadog]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Pakistan doing well. Need to change up the bowlers - bring in Marsh and Head

[Bornadog]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Ripper bowled and caught by Cummins and then a lovely inswinger to bowl out Babar for 1. Patrick is on fire

[jeemak]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Soft from Masood, he had a chance to play a really impactful innings today.

[lemmon]

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Where does Cummins sit in the pantheon of Australian fast bowlers? I have him ahead of McGrath as the best I've seen. His ability to grab a moment and change the game is unreal

[GVGjr]

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Where does Cummins sit in the pantheon of Australian fast bowlers? I have him ahead of McGrath as the best I've seen. His ability to grab a moment and change the game is unreal

I'd have McGrath ahead of him but it's close. Perhaps in the next year to two he might pass him.

[jeemak]

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I'll bet you don't even start sentences with "Hey, guys"

Ha - I have no idea what you mean.

[jeemak]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

Where does Cummins sit in the pantheon of Australian fast bowlers? I have him ahead of McGrath as the best I've seen. His ability to grab a moment and change the game is unreal

I'd have McGrath ahead of him but it's close. Perhaps in the next year to two he might pass him.

You can only play who and where that's in front of you, but a big part of the decision comes down to who had the more quick-friendly decks to bowl on and who bowled against the better bats.

I don't really know the answer and it might be too early to call, but I feel that McGrath got the better of the wickets but played against more resilient attacks. Cummin's ability to grind out wickets to influence a game is supreme.

[FrediKanoute]

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Where does Cummins sit in the pantheon of Australian fast bowlers? I have him ahead of McGrath as the best I've seen. His ability to grab a moment and change the game is unreal

It will always be Lillie #1 for me. Impact fast bowler.

1. Lillie
2. McGrath
3. Cummins
4. Thomson
5. McDermott
6. Johnson
7. Gillespie
8. Hughes
9. Lawson
10. Starc

[jeemak]

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People fawn over DKL and it has to be for a reason, outside of nostalgic recollections of a "better time" in Australian cricket where men were brave enough to show off their chest hairs instead of shaving them.

He was apparently that good.

GVGjnr - given you're old enough to have seen Bradman in his prime how come you don't have Lillie up there?

[GVGjr]

Re: Australia v Pakistan Tests Summer 23/24

People fawn over DKL and it has to be for a reason, outside of nostalgic recollections of a "better time" in Australian cricket where men were brave enough to show off their chest hairs instead of shaving them.

He was apparently that good.

GVGjnr - given you're old enough to have seen Bradman in his prime how come you don't have Lillie up there?

Davidson had them all covered.
Lillee was a brilliant bowler and so much so that Richard Hadlee copied his classical bowling action but...I don't forgive easily.
Getting injured in a game where you had laid a bet on the Poms at long odds (500 to 1) and leaving a young Geoff Lawson who was getting slaughtered and having to bowl more overs than he should have never washed with me.

[jeemak]

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Davidson had them all covered.
Lillee was a brilliant bowler and so much so that Richard Hadlee copied his classical bowling action but...I don't forgive easily.
Getting injured in a game where you had laid a bet on the Poms at long odds (500 to 1) and leaving a young Geoff Lawson who was getting slaughtered and having to bowl more overs than he should have never washed with me.

For those interested here's a fairly favourable view of the episode:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2001/aug/13/cricket.comment

Lillie and Marsh won GBP 7,500 which is about GBP 28,000 today (AUD 52,000).....apparently just a bit of fun without any mention of injury to Lillie.

Australia were 0-1 up at the time, finished the series 3-1 down.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Davidson had them all covered.
Lillee was a brilliant bowler and so much so that Richard Hadlee copied his classical bowling action but...I don't forgive easily.
Getting injured in a game where you had laid a bet on the Poms at long odds (500 to 1) and leaving a young Geoff Lawson who was getting slaughtered and having to bowl more overs than he should have never washed with me.

I only saw DK at the end of his career, and even then I wasn't old enough to really appreciate his greatness. I acknowledge those who saw him in his pomp though.
I'll grant him number 1, much the way most do Bradman as just acknowledgement for his aura.

But for those Aussie Fast bowlers who I've seen in my lifetime, it's McGrath and Bruce Reid ahead of Cummins.

McGrath's growth as a bowler from his debut in 93 to his arrival in the seminal West Indies tour in 95 was phenomenal. He had McDermott go down before the series really got under way and led the attack superbly, and came of age from that point on. I've just never seen a fast bowler so in command of his control and tactics as McGrath.

I also given bonus rating points to guys who can run through sides with big 7 for and 8 fors. McGrath had two of each. The fact he did it most often with other potent bowlers at the other end in Warne, Hughes, Gillespie, Kasprowicz, Reiffel all vying to take wickets from him adds more weight.

Reid, is just a could've been story, and I'm happy to get shot down, given the brevity of his best at the top level. But in amidst the periods where he would break down, he was really starting to stake a claim for being one of the premier fast bowlers in the world. Had he have stayed fit, I think he would've ended up rating very highly indeed as one of the all time greats.