Early Trade Rumours 2023

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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So the article reckons Hollands is the best young player GCS would give up.

If it was:

Our F1 for their F2, and Hollands (young mid, taken pick 7) & Graham (KPD)

Would you add the F1 here?

I was going ask who from Gold Coast everyone on here would want if our F1 was involved.

I know nothing about Holland's but to give up our 1st next year it'd have to be a pretty decent player.

What's Holland's like and if he's any good why would Gold Coast be willing to give him up?

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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We should never ever trade a F1.

I agree in our current environment. We could easily finish bottom 4 next year if everything falls apart. What's more, we've been starved of open draft picks the last few years. I'd be keeping it.

[bulldogtragic]

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I was going ask who from Gold Coast everyone on here would want if our F1 was involved.

I know nothing about Holland's but to give up our 1st next year it'd have to be a pretty decent player.

What's Holland's like and if he's any good why would Gold Coast be willing to give him up?

Hollands hasn?t had as much opportunity as he would?ve liked, coming off his ACL, and GCS have too many good players after this draft to keep them all. His numbers were not huge this year, Stephen King played him more than Dew. But here?s his draft profile, we was looking at a Pick 1 but for an ACL:

Elijah Hollands
Height: 188cm
Weight: 85kg
D.O.B: 25-04-2002
Leagues: AFL U18 Championships, Coates Talent League Boys

POSITION: Medium Forward/Midfielder

DRAFT ANALYSIS: ?Hollands is a high impact-per-possession player and looms as the top midfielder-forward in the draft? ? Peter Williams

Elijah Hollands is one of the most talked about prospects in this year's AFL Draft and with good reason. Unfortunately the number one pick contender injured his anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) prior to the season, but then with the season cancelled the rest of the Victorian draft prospects joined him without any matches under their belts. He is a high impact player who predominantly plays half-forward, but can play deep or through the midfield, though never quite got the chance to fully develop on-ball given the problematic 2020 year.

STRENGTHS:

Overhead marking
Scoreboard impact
Athleticism
Defensive pressure
One-on-ones
Goal sense
Dual-sided

IMPROVEMENTS:

Further midfield development
Post-injury durability

There is a reason Hollands is considered among the top prospects in the country, with plenty of strengths and few clear deficiencies. Starting with areas of improvement, Hollands was robbed of further midfield development time this year and therefore still has only spent minimal minutes in the Bushrangers' midfield. He also played forward for Vic Country in his bottom-age year so has not had the chance to develop that area of his game. Furthermore, the ACL will always bring about questions once he is up and running again, particularly for an athletic player such as Hollands who is so good at changing direction and sidestepping his opponents.

In terms of what he offers a club, the list is vast. Up forward, he is hard to beat as one of those medium-tall forwards who is just the right size to match it with talls or smalls. Against key position types he is too quick, and against smalls he is too strong. His body positioning in marking contests is terrific and has been known to hold off an opponent, protect the ball drop zone and even take it one-handed - such is his reading of the ball in a contest.

At ground level, Hollands is clean and able to grab it in one take, and more importantly, can instantly switch into defence mode with a high tackle count to accompany his offensive traits. His goal sense is arguably the best in the draft crop, being one of those players that can turn on a dime and slam home a goal from just inside 50. He had a few troubles with his set shots earlier last year in the NAB League and never got a chance to get a sustained run at it, but has shown that set shots do not often worry him.

Whilst Hollands is a right footer, he has been known to chuck it on his left and be just as effective. He can kick goals inside 50 on either foot, and whilst sometimes he might rush a tad through midfield by trying to use penetration and put it deep to a teammates' advantage, he generally makes the right decisions with ball-in-hand.

In terms of his blend of offensive and defensive traits, Hollands is able to win the ball in multiple ways, and that includes back from the opposition via tackles or forced turnovers. It would have been nice to see him progress into the midfield in 2020, but he has shown enough playing up forward alone that he is worthy of a top five pick. With his athleticism, goal sense and high impact per possession, Hollands is a player who is a natural ball-winner.

DRAFT PROJECTION: 1-5

Hollands is a star in the marking and certainly has not been forgotten when talking about the potential number one pick. In terms of the top-end talents, Hollands is the premier non-key position player and was a clear standout for Vic Country last year. Once he can get a full preseason under his belt, the Bushrangers' talent will likely start as a deep forward and gradually work his way up the ground with time.

[GVGjr]

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So the article reckons Hollands is the best young player GCS would give up.

If it was:

Our F1 for their F2, and Hollands (young mid, taken pick 7) & Graham (KPD)

Would you add the F1 here?

From an overall list perspective my approach is more about getting players in now and worrying about next year in 12 months time but that is unlikely to happen.
Has Hollands done enough to warrant being chased? I looked at some of the heat maps from his games this year and he can play that high half forward role. I'm intrigued and very tempted by your suggestion or trading picks to not only move up the order this year but to land an emerging player and still get something back in terms of a F2

Aren't GC keen to get Chol off their books? Could he fill be back up ruckman role now that Sweet is departing?

[Mofra]

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If we are bringing in defenders from other clubs, then they have to be better than Gardner and Keath, otherwise why bother.

Keath is purely injury back up next year.
I'm also wary of relying on Jones - most players have retired by his age.
I'd look to a mature(ish) intercept player (Hore/El Nour) to bring in for a role, and draft one more kid to develop (if we think Croft is purely a forward)

I'm really keen on drafting over trading this year. When you're the 4th oldest list in the comp and don't make finals, it's time to hit the draft.

[Axe Man]

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We should never ever trade a F1.

Completely disagree. Anything is tradable for the right deal.

[Mofra]

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Dogs cap crunch right NOW or end of next year?

End of next year - I suspect we can keep the players we want but could be hamstrung by not being able to bring players in.
Alot does depend on the new CBA though and our contract structures - have we put index clauses in them or not? If some don't, well that's another mature player we can sign.

[Mofra]

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Completely disagree. Anything is tradable for the right deal.

I agree, but we need mids and trading out of a midfielder draft means that right deal has to be pretty damn attractive. I'm not sure we'll get that offer.

[EasternWest]

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Never been a fan of his music ... although his 1996 Christmas Album was pretty good.

I'd rather Ramsay Bolton. At least he's got some fight in him

[Grantysghost]

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I'd rather Ramsay Bolton. At least he's got some fight in him

And a relationship with Dogs.

[EasternWest]

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And a relationship with Dogs.

Plus he knows to to motovate his teammates to get the best out of them.

[Grantysghost]

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Plus he knows to to motovate his teammates to get the best out of them.

Haha. That was peak GOT. He obviously didn't like Lilly Allen much.

[GVGjr]

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What would be willing to part with to land Coffield if the speculation that we have some interest in him is accurate?

He hasn't played a senior game in 2 years and only 50 games since he arrived in the AFL. They'll want something in the early 20's but he's not worth that.

[bulldogtragic]

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What would be willing to part with to land Coffield if the speculation that we have some interest in him is accurate?

He hasn't played a senior game in 2 years and only 50 games since he arrived in the AFL. They'll want something in the early 20's but he's not worth that.

Future Third. Maybe add our fourth tied to Melbourne (not many points). They will want more. But good luck to them getting it.

I’m not exactly sure why we are chasing him, unless it’s very, very cheap. Even then, his body is made of tissue paper.

[GVGjr]

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Future Third. Maybe add our fourth tied to Melbourne (not many points). They will want more. But good luck to them getting it.

He's worth more too them than that. When fit he will play.
He's out of contract so they don't have a lot of bargaining strength.