ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[KT31]

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Australian Football Entertainment League:- i.e. it's an entertainment industry rather than a legitimate sporting competition because city hall manipulate everything to produce the outcome they think will make them the most money.

And hear was me thinking BT had developed a Southern Drool.

[jeemak]

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And hear was me thinking BT had developed a Southern Drool.

He does drool all the time, check the Zaine thread. There's no hint of a drawl though.

[Happy Days]

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Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin are going to be Brownlow medallists.

I wonder if they will chase damages/loss of income?

Probably the best thing that could happen to the AFEL Brand™ is for the Brownlow to be put on to an Official AFEL-Branded Superstar™, especially in lieu of that AFEL-Branded Superstar™ being able to play actual football.

[Twodogs]

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Trent Cotchin being a Brownlow Medalist is the biggest injustice in this whole sorry saga.

Trent Cotchin? From Richmond? Brownlow?

[Greystache]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

[Topdog]

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Yeah agree with that. esp. as it is 3 years later!

[The Adelaide Connection]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

A very good point. If nothing else, they should go back to all of the games where he accrued votes and shift everyone up a place ie If he polled three votes then the player who polled two gets awarded three and the player that was awarded one gets bumped up to two.

Edit: Just went back and looked through the 2012 count, shifting players up votes would not change the finishing positions of those below him.

[ledge]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

I believe that's what will happen no one is the winner ..
In saying that why do they still give votes to players who were rubbed out after they were rubbed out ? I've never understood that , if he is rubbed out the umpires go in with a list they can't give votes to in their game thus eliminating a player winning it and causing a scene ( unless it's the last few rounds and he had already accumulated enough)
And also the players still eligible get the votes they deserve as they are still the fairest

[Scraggers]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

Comparing Watson to Chris Grant ... Chris Grant won the race, but was ruled out for an indiscretion; So Harvey gets the first prize. Grant lost the Brownlow because he was deemed not to be the fairest (as much as we would argue that point, that's the fact). Watson was the best player that year, but not the fairest. Therefore, his medal goes to Mitchell and Cotchin IMO.

[Bornadog]

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Comparing Watson to Chris Grant ... Chris Grant won the race, but was ruled out for an indiscretion; So Harvey gets the first prize. Grant lost the Brownlow because he was deemed not to be the fairest (as much as we would argue that point, that's the fact). Watson was the best player that year, but not the fairest. Therefore, his medal goes to Mitchell and Cotchin IMO.

Slightly different, as Grey points out. Chris lost the Brownlow due to one game, Watson was doping for all 22 rounds.

[bulldogtragic]

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He does drool all the time, check the Zaine thread. There's no hint of a drawl though.

Zaine you say? Let me count thy ways I love our premiership CHF...

[FrediKanoute]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

I agree with this. Far more likely to be remembered that way. Forever there will be a gap and no winner prompting people to ask what happened and people to explain that Jobe won, but had the medal stripped because he was a drugs cheat.

The punishment continues.....

[AndrewP6]

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Gil Mac will probably award it to a GWS player from 2012. Setanta O'Hailpin??

[Twodogs]

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Possibly a question for a thread of its own, but if Watson has his medal taken off him does it automatically go to runners up Mitchell and Cotchin?

I’m not convinced it does. It’s not as simple as Watson finished a race first, and if he wasn’t a drug cheat, Mitchell and Cotchin would’ve finished ahead of him. Watson was playing games while doping which means players who were competing fairly missed opportunities to gain the votes that he shouldn’t have received. Who’s to say if Watson hadn’t doped, Ablett or Swan wouldn’t have be awarded the votes he got and went on to win, with Mitchell and Cotchin still finishing 2nd? Hawthorn only played Essendon once, where Collingwood played them twice. Watson interfered with the final result and in doing so corrupted the entire event.

I’m of the view he gets stripped of the award and no winner is declared.

Yep no medal for that year. In the Tour they also take away any stage wins as well as the race if you dope and win.

If I was Mitchell or Cotchin I wouldn't particularly want Jobe's sloppy second Brownlow anyway.

Comparing Watson to Chris Grant ... Chris Grant won the race, but was ruled out for an indiscretion; So Harvey gets the first prize. Grant lost the Brownlow because he was deemed not to be the fairest (as much as we would argue that point, that's the fact). Watson was the best player that year, but not the fairest. Therefore, his medal goes to Mitchell and Cotchin IMO.

Retrospectively suspending Watson would solve the AFEL's problem.

[westdog54]

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Yep no medal for that year. In the Tour they also take away any stage wins as well as the race if you dope and win.

If I was Mitchell or Cotchin I wouldn't particularly want Jobe's sloppy second Brownlow anyway.



Retrospectively suspending Watson would solve the AFEL's problem.

Also the premierships stripped from Melbourne Storm. Record books have no premier in those years.