ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[azabob]

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AFL hopes Jobe will give his medal back and save them the trouble of taking it. "It wasn't his choice to win it" says his rep.
Maybe, but it was his choice to take substances that could have stopped others from winning it.

Too funny. As if he'd give it back. Are they serious?
Out of everything that has happened over this whole saga, I find this the most bizarre.

[Twodogs]

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Bombres supporters doing a march from Fed Square to support their suspended players. Wonder where they hot that idea?

Half of them won't make it. Maybe on one of those Segways

AFL hopes Jobe will give his medal back and save them the trouble of taking it. "It wasn't his choice to win it" says his rep.
Maybe, but it was his choice to take substances that could have stopped others from winning it.

They seriously didn't say that did they? Hes not going to do that. He hasn't shown any likelihood of doing it yet.

[Murphy'sLore]

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The attitude of Watson (and others) seems to be, 'Well, I didn't set out to cheat, I didn't mean to cheat, I didn't intend to cheat, therefore I didn't cheat.'

Sorry, but no. If you were a runner and 'someone' painted the lines on the track in the wrong place so you ran a shorter course in apparently record time, you have no right to claim a world record. Your ignorance and your intent is irrelevant. You did not achieve your result fairly, the rules were broken, and cheating occurred.

There really is no argument, and I'm disturbed that PG and our club seem to be increasingly aligning themselves with the wrong side.

[Ghost Dog]

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Half of them won't make it. Maybe on one of those Segways



They seriously didn't say that did they? Hes not going to do that. He hasn't shown any likelihood of doing it yet.

Well according to CWilson, they thought Jobe would see the logic in it, the fairness, the sportsmanship. Dreaming!

[Twodogs]

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Well according to CWilson, they thought Jobe would see the logic in it, the fairness, the sportsmanship. Dreaming!

And we pay them a fortune.

[Bornadog]

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I'm disturbed that PG and our club seem to be increasingly aligning themselves with the wrong side.

I don't believe that is true. The club is just following protocol, and also making sure Crameri and Prismall are being treated fairly within the law. I don't see any support for Essendon or any other players.

[Murphy'sLore]

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I don't believe that is true. The club is just following protocol, and also making sure Crameri and Prismall are being treated fairly within the law. I don't see any support for Essendon or any other players.

No, I understand that, the key word is 'seem.' The more often PG speaks up for Crameri, Prismall and the rest of the 34, the more it looks like support for Essendon, and that's what sits uneasily with me. I realise he is just trying to achieve a good outcome for Stuart and Brent, but it's a fine line IMO.

[1eyedog]

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Lets just deport them that should satisfy everyone.

Agreed. All banned players should be made to play an exhibition match in London with 100% of the match fee going to Fiji.

[Topdog]

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I don't believe that is true. The club is just following protocol, and also making sure Crameri and Prismall are being treated fairly within the law. I don't see any support for Essendon or any other players.

Pretty sure someone from our club has come out saying the players didnt do anything wrong.

[Bornadog]

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Pretty sure someone from our club has come out saying the players didnt do anything wrong.

Link?

[jeemak]

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There's a couple of areas of negative perception that are permeating within comments on this board.

1. Bevo is openly in agreement the players didn't do anything wrong
2. Peter Gordon believes the players have been served and injustice (whether this is basic rights or technical legal isn't clear to me, though more and more I think it is the latter)
3. Crameri and Prismal training under Shaun Wellman and alongside the other EFC players is provocative towards ASADA
4. Prismal continuing with his role as welfare officer as permitted by the AFL

The one that I think is the most spurious is the concoction that training with Shaun Wellman alongside the other EFC players is somehow provocative towards ASADA. I get the others as being of concern, but this to me is almost ridiculous.

ASADA has proved itself to be completely ineffective and amateurish throughout the course of this saga, for sure, but they've not proved themselves to be vindictive and resourced well enough to worry about a bunch of guys training together under the tutelage of someone who happened to be at the club as an assistant at the time the doping apparently took place.

There's absolutely no way in hell they could give a fat one about who was coaching the banned players as long as it wasn't James Hird or Mark Thompson.

As for points one or two mentioned above, I'm pretty sure ASADA and WADA are smiling like Cheshire cats about the result of the CAS decision and couldn't care less about the ramblings of our club president or our coach.

[Remi Moses]

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They're not involved in competition. Pretty simple I would have thought.

Did you really need it explained?

Do you really need to be so blunt ?
Are they allowed to ask players questions post or pre game re- tactics ?
Are they allowed to comment on their own team?I find it a bit unethical, they've banned these players from competing and all things encompassing, but they're allowed to draw an income from the actual game they've been banned from .
Wonder how people feel about Lance Armstrong doing special comments at the Tour, or Russian athletes at the olympics

[Bornadog]

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There's a couple of areas of negative perception that are permeating within comments on this board.

1. Bevo is openly in agreement the players didn't do anything wrong
2. Peter Gordon believes the players have been served and injustice (whether this is basic rights or technical legal isn't clear to me, though more and more I think it is the latter)
3. Crameri and Prismal training under Shaun Wellman and alongside the other EFC players is provocative towards ASADA
4. Prismal continuing with his role as welfare officer as permitted by the AFL

The one that I think is the most spurious is the concoction that training with Shaun Wellman alongside the other EFC players is somehow provocative towards ASADA. I get the others as being of concern, but this to me is almost ridiculous.

ASADA has proved itself to be completely ineffective and amateurish throughout the course of this saga, for sure, but they've not proved themselves to be vindictive and resourced well enough to worry about a bunch of guys training together under the tutelage of someone who happened to be at the club as an assistant at the time the doping apparently took place.

There's absolutely no way in hell they could give a fat one about who was coaching the banned players as long as it wasn't James Hird or Mark Thompson.

As for points one or two mentioned above, I'm pretty sure ASADA and WADA are smiling like Cheshire cats about the result of the CAS decision and couldn't care less about the ramblings of our club president or our coach.

Good summary Jeemak.

I don't believe Bevo is in agreement the players didn't do anything wrong. Pretty sure he said he felt for the players and understands how in a team/club environment, players follow instructions and trust the coaches and senior football people, that what they are doing is perfectly legitimate.

On PG, he is purely backing the players on a legal front, not whether they are guilty or not. A lawyer can never defend his client if he believes or has evidence they are guilty.

[Sedat]

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Good summary Jeemak.

I don't believe Bevo is in agreement the players didn't do anything wrong. Pretty sure he said he felt for the players and understands how in a team/club environment, players follow instructions and trust the coaches and senior football people, that what they are doing is perfectly legitimate.

On PG, he is purely backing the players on a legal front, not whether they are guilty or not. A lawyer can never defend his client if he believes or has evidence they are guilty.

In the history of VFL/AFL, it has never been normal behaviour to go off-site, away from the club and the club doctor, and take thousands of injections of 'unknown' substances (supposedly unknown), and it has never been normal behaviour for players to sign consent forms.

The AFL community has done a fantastic PR job of engendering sympathy for the players throughout this mess - my perspective is that the players have contributed significantly to their downfall. At best they are stupid, at worst they are single-minded cheats. They aren't the worst offenders in this mess but they are nowhere near absolved from blame - in particular the senior players like the captain, 'Vitamins' McVeigh, Fletcher, Hille, etc..

With the greatest respect to Bevo and Gordon, both mighty figures at our club, their comments are driven purely by self-interest - an important part of our team structure is out for the season through no fault of our own. Worryingly, their perspectives are shared by the majority of the AFL community - only Russian athletes cheat, our boys never did anything knowingly wrong. They did, and in a systematic way reminiscent of every doping regime in sporting history. Let's call it for what it is.

[Bornadog]

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In the history of VFL/AFL, it has never been normal behaviour to go off-site, away from the club and the club doctor, and take thousands of injections of 'unknown' substances (supposedly unknown), and it has never been normal behaviour for players to sign consent forms.

The AFL community has done a fantastic PR job of engendering sympathy for the players throughout this mess - my perspective is that the players have contributed significantly to their downfall. At best they are stupid, at worst they are single-minded cheats. They aren't the worst offenders in this mess but they are nowhere near absolved from blame - in particular the senior players like the captain, 'Vitamins' McVeigh, Fletcher, Hille, etc..

With the greatest respect to Bevo and Gordon, both mighty figures at our club, their comments are driven purely by self-interest - an important part of our team structure is out for the season through no fault of our own. Worryingly, their perspectives are shared by the majority of the AFL community - only Russian athletes cheat, our boys never did anything knowingly wrong. They did, and in a systematic way reminiscent of every doping regime in sporting history. Let's call it for what it is.

Yes you have stated your point numerous times throughout the thread, and I don't disagree. All I am stating is Bevo and PG have never ever said the players didn't do something wrong.