ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players

[Dancin' Douggy]

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And the guy who cost them the picks is STILL COACH!!! It's hilarious.

[Twodogs]

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And the guy who cost them the picks is STILL COACH!!! It's hilarious.

Its lovely. Just like the Pancake Parlour.

[KT31]

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Its lovely. Just like the Pancake Parlour.

Only the pancakes were topped with thymosin beta 4 and not maple syrup.

[bulldogtragic]

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WADA going through the ASADA file sent to The AFL.

[jeemak]

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Cry me a river Tim Tim.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/06-15/tim-watson-people-don-t-care-about-affect-on-dons

We care about the players, and we want to see a fair competition that isn't tainted by drugs. Saying WADA is acting only for political reasons is well off the mark.

[Twodogs]

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This has been all about politics since WADA got involved, actually since Ben McDevitt got involved. It's no longer about justice or a pursuit of truth. It's about numbers and stacking the odds in one sides favour.

[Before I Die]

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This has been all about politics since WADA got involved, actually since Ben McDevitt got involved. It's no longer about justice or a pursuit of truth. It's about numbers and stacking the odds in one sides favour.

I really don't understand the basis of this statement. WADA are simply following the processes available to them and give every appearance of being the only entity in this sordid tale who genuinely are fighting for truth and justice with no hidden agendas or secret allegiances.

[westdog54]

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This has been all about politics since WADA got involved, actually since Ben McDevitt got involved. It's no longer about justice or a pursuit of truth. It's about numbers and stacking the odds in one sides favour.

Sorry, but I call Bullshit on this.

I fail to see how aggressively pursuing the Essendon Football Club in this issue, when they have done everything within their power to stonewall this investigation, is "All about Politics".

WADA are, and should be, unapologetic in thier pursuit of this matter, because the truth, and indeed justice, are yet to be fully pursued in this matter.

[KT31]

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This has been all about politics since WADA got involved, actually since Ben McDevitt got involved. It's no longer about justice or a pursuit of truth. It's about numbers and stacking the odds in one sides favour.

Disagree TD, if this involved one of my Pups I would want every avenue and as many investigation carried as possible until the complete truth came out.
To me this is not not about persecuting and AFL team but finding out what was injected into these kids and what the future may hold as far as repercussions.
And if as suspicions and allegations are found true every person accountable to be held responsible.
I will say one other thing, the parents must have a lot more patience than me because at this stage i would have certainly have been in the press for having hold of Danks or Hirds throat.

[Twodogs]

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Sorry, but I call Bullshit on this.

I fail to see how aggressively pursuing the Essendon Football Club in this issue, when they have done everything within their power to stonewall this investigation, is "All about Politics".

WADA are, and should be, unapologetic in thier pursuit of this matter, because the truth, and indeed justice, are yet to be fully pursued in this matter.

But there is no evidence. Until we hear it told by Danks, Alavi or Chatres with written records rather than bits of papers with stuff scrawled on it what's the point of aggressively pursuing it?

Give WADA powers to actually investigate again, then sure by all means, let's get Essendon. But they are limited to the body of evidence that they currently have, evidence that has already been presented over more than two weeks to a tribunal and was found insufficient to satisfy a pretty low burden of proof.

None of the three people who actually know what happened have sworn affidavits so this tribunal isn't relying on facts. Just rumour innuendo and half truths. No new facts are available. So how is WADA reopening the case anything but political if it's not acting on new information?

I'd love to get Essendon. But I want the process that does it to be squeaky clean and above board. Because one day it might be our guys swinging in the wind and I'd like to know they got the justice due to them.

[westdog54]

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Because they believe the previous non-independent tribunal erred in not reaching a comfortable satisfaction. They think the tribunal got it wrong.

And they are just as entitled to take it to the next forum as any criminal not happy with their verdict is.

And the statement that there is no evidence is erroneous.

[Twodogs]

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Because they believe the previous non-independent tribunal erred in not reaching a comfortable satisfaction. They think the tribunal got it wrong.

And they are just as entitled to take it to the next forum as any criminal not happy with their verdict is.

And the statement that there is no evidence is erroneous.

No new evidence then. Just the same evidence that has already been presented and found not to meet the standard. Its a de novo hearing, there won't be a new investigation just a rehearing with the same evidence.

And a home town tribunal? Really? A County Court judge is going to trash his reputation and leave himself open to prosecution himself just to let a bunch of footballers off. Seriously?

[Bornadog]

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No new evidence then. Just the same evidence that has already been presented and found not to meet the standard. Its a de novo hearing, there won't be a new investigation just a rehearing with the same evidence.

And a home town tribunal? Really? A County Court judge is going to trash his reputation and leave himself open to prosecution himself just to let a bunch of footballers off. Seriously?

I agree, the tribunal was made up with some very reputable legal people. I don't agree with the premise that the AFL orchestrated the outcome of the tribunal. I am not saying the tribunal didn't make mistakes, but I would be surprised.

[Greystache]

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No new evidence then. Just the same evidence that has already been presented and found not to meet the standard. Its a de novo hearing, there won't be a new investigation just a rehearing with the same evidence.

And a home town tribunal? Really? A County Court judge is going to trash his reputation and leave himself open to prosecution himself just to let a bunch of footballers off. Seriously?

That's the problem with the system, you can completely manipulate the outomce without breaching any law or regulation. Comfortable satisfaction is in the eye of the beholder, a tribunal could consider anything other than conclusive positive tests to be not comfortable satisfaction. Or they could follow a paper trail that shows PEDs purchased, compounded, brought to the club, paid for by that club who have also admitted injecting players thousands of times, and be comfortably satisfied the only rational outcome is the players were given PED's. In both cases they'd be justified in their findings.

The AFL tribunal took the former view, as they were always going to do, and without positive tests the process and final verdict were a formality. It's been mentioned before, Lance Armstrong would've been found not guilty if the evidence against him was presented to that same AFL tribunal with the way they interpreted comfortable satisfaction, yet after being found guilty he subsequently confessed.

The WADA appeal is about nothing more than having the evidence gathered against Essendon heard by a neutral panel who will give it a legitimate hearing. They obviously believe there's a reasonable case, and they obviously believe ASADA when they the AFL has done everything they can to protect the players being accused.

[ledge]

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Isn't not having records the same as taking them, I mean otherwise you could do whatever and just say I lost the records sorry you got no proof.