ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
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The key to all of this really is WADA's ability to subpoena Shane Charter and Nima Alavi whom ASADA tried to subpoena to face the AFL Tribunal last year, an agency not deemed 'a commercial arbitration' by the Supreme Court, consequently ASADA failed to force the issue.
They are key witnesses really and Essendon know it. I won't be surprised to see the club implode prior to the release of WADA's finding.
Interesting WADA have approached Richard Young to run the case, the same bloke that brought down Armstrong and Marion Jones. He had been providing external advice to ASADA during their investigation so he is across the case.But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
All, cool your jets and go back 20 pages.
We're rewriting the same things we wrote prior to the ASADA process coming together, and ultimately failing.
From an evidence perspective I can't see how a lot has changed. Let's wait and see, though I think this will go down as an ultimately important and necessary process for the AFL and EFC to endure, it will be a fruitless one from a penal perspective.TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
All, cool your jets and go back 20 pages.
We're rewriting the same things we wrote prior to the ASADA process coming together, and ultimately failing.
From an evidence perspective I can't see how a lot has changed. Let's wait and see, though I think this will go down as an ultimately important and necessary process for the AFL and EFC to endure, it will be a fruitless one from a penal perspective.They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
How does WADA and CAS get these guys to testify in Switzerland?The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
That's it, either that or the source location in China or an Essendon player / former Essendon player gives evidence. It's how they got Armstrong, there was scientific evidence available to USADA but ultimately it was his team mates that brought him undone.But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
I think they have to use the bias territory argument and that it is critical they are able to run an independent investigation in neutral territory. Lawyers representing EFC / witnesses will argue that due to logistical constraints the matter should be heard in Sydney. I can see this being one battle of the war.
WADA have not given one sniff of info to AFL since they decided to appeal and you can be sure they don't give a stuff about them crying about it being conducted in Switzerland.But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
IIRC Charters and Alvi gave interviews and statements to ASADA, but then refused to be called. Consequently, this evidence was IIRC given little weight by the dodgy AFL tribunal.
Transcripts still exist and the weight in the new tribunal may be different.The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.Comment
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On a related note, there's plenty of enthusiasm on BF to get Carlisle.
Now that WADA has appealed and given the articles cited above, this seems likes dodgy move for us to trade for a gun player who is unlikely to play for 2 years.
Thoughts?The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride.Comment
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I wouldn't touch any Essendon player with a 10 foot pole. Way too much risk.But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.Comment
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It's not necessarily crucial for Dank and Charters to testify. The was a significant amount of circumstantial evidence and witness testimony which was considered (conveniently, imo) inadmissible by the AFL Tribunal. This will not be the case with the next non-AFL tribunal.
So the point is, same (or at least very similar) body of evidence, but a very, very different interpretation of what is admissible and inadmissible. This is the key point.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
Forgotten in this is Jobe Watson's admission on TV that he had been given a drug on the WADA banned list, 9084 I think it was. Somehow that got swept under the carpet during the AFL/ASADA hearing.
It may not be this time.
The new investigation may well not be kind to either the AFL, EFC or the Gillard government controlled (at the time) ASADA.The truth will set you free,
but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
WADA would have to appeal to the Victorian Supreme Court where the original ruling against ASADA/AFL was made I would think.
No affidavits exist. None of the three have ever made statements or sworn affidavits unfortunately. The only evidence against them is circumstantial.They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.Comment
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Re: ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
All, cool your jets and go back 20 pages.
We're rewriting the same things we wrote prior to the ASADA process coming together, and ultimately failing.
From an evidence perspective I can't see how a lot has changed. Let's wait and see, though I think this will go down as an ultimately important and necessary process for the AFL and EFC to endure, it will be a fruitless one from a penal perspective.Comment
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