Well Ruck Me.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Well Ruck Me.

Chol is a free agent and reports Essendon are going hard among other clubs, not ours in the reports. We are keeping it quiet or we aren’t interested in this style of ruck.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Chol is a free agent and reports Essendon are going hard among other clubs, not ours in the reports. We are keeping it quiet or we aren’t interested in this style of ruck.

Actually don't mind Chol, and I would be a little surprised if Richmond let him go.

Problem is he's basically English - tall, lean, skilful who is better forward but can offer ruck minutes.

If we had a young Martin and no English, I'd be keen, but not the other way around.

[bulldogtragic]

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Actually don't mind Chol, and I would be a little surprised if Richmond let him go.

Problem is he's basically English - tall, lean, skilful who is better forward but can offer ruck minutes.

If we had a young Martin and no English, I'd be keen, but not the other way around.

I’ve been saying I think we need two rucks this year.

Chol as a free agent as a Bruce replacement/ruck minutes. We have the cash and costs no picks
English as a forward/ruck minutes. Plus dropping into defence if needed. Swing man.
McEvoy (for example) First Ruck. Cost is very little.

Complete restructuring for basically just salary. Which we have spare. Or if JJ requests a trade. His salary covers both rucks.

2022:

HF: Weightman Chol VDM
F: Marra Naughton English/McNeil rotating
R: McEvoy Bonts Macrae

#1 Ruck: McEvoy
KPDs: Naughton, Chol
Third: English
Mid: Marra (over Hannan)
Smalls: Cody, VDM, McNeil


But we aren’t linked, even on the rumour mill, to a ruck yet. But I think two rucks, one a handy forward, would be ideal to my thinking.

[Bornadog]

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I would like a ruckman next year, ideally around 27 to 28 years old as a longer term number one ruck.

I don't want another Martin who will break down.

Who this is, I don't know.

[G-Mo77]

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I would like a ruckman next year, ideally around 27 to 28 years old as a longer term number one ruck.

I don't want another Martin who will break down.

Who this is, I don't know.

How old is Grundy or Gawn? Do they fall into this bracket?

[Grantysghost]

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I’ve been saying I think we need two rucks this year.

Chol as a free agent as a Bruce replacement/ruck minutes. We have the cash and costs no picks
English as a forward/ruck minutes. Plus dropping into defence if needed. Swing man.
McEvoy (for example) First Ruck. Cost is very little.

Complete restructuring for basically just salary. Which we have spare. Or if JJ requests a trade. His salary covers both rucks.

2022:

HF: Weightman Chol VDM
F: Marra Naughton English/McNeil rotating
R: McEvoy Bonts Macrae

#1 Ruck: McEvoy
KPDs: Naughton, Chol
Third: English
Mid: Marra (over Hannan)
Smalls: Cody, VDM, McNeil


But we aren’t linked, even on the rumour mill, to a ruck yet. But I think two rucks, one a handy forward, would be ideal to my thinking.

Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.

[1eyedog]

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Is that so bad? Arguably a forward/ruck who is actually good is harder to find than a modestly capable no 1 ruck.

Thing is he isn't actually a very good forward either, he's not a natural one anyway. In terms of ruck craft I have Young comfortably in front of him there as well. He's in limbo and at the moment he is simply 'tall'.

[bulldogtragic]

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Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.

Yep. He’s the best ruck/forward Free Agent. I’d hope we are in the race too needing to cover Bruce and address ruck depth. As well as getting a pure #1 ruck.

I can dream, right? Finally getting serious about the ruck and addressing covering Bruce?

[G-Mo77]

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Yep. He’s the best ruck/forward Free Agent. I’d hope we are in the race too needing to cover Bruce and address ruck depth. As well as getting a pure #1 ruck.

I can dream, right? Finally getting serious about the ruck and addressing covering Bruce?

Then you wake up and we find out Mitch Wallis is working on his ruck craft over the off season. Maybe he'd get a game that way.

[Bornadog]

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Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.

Is he any good?

2021 Games Log for Mabior Chol (Richmond Tigers) Description Date Opponent Result Round 23 Aug 21 Hawks Draw 83-83 5 2 7 4 1 1 3 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 54 53 Round 20 Aug 1 Dockers Loss 51-55 6 2 8 4 0 0 1 6 0 1 0 4 2 1 1 42 32 Round 19 Jul 25 Cats Loss 57-95 3 3 6 1 0 0 1 5 0 2 5 1 1 2 0 29 42 Round 18 Jul 16 Lions Win 106-86 8 2 10 4 4 0 1 12 0 2 4 1 1 1 1 78 113 Round 17 Jul 11 Magpies Loss 71-87 2 9 11 1 0 0 2 17 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 52 51 Round 16 Jul 1 Suns Loss 67-77 7 7 14 5 0 1 2 25 0 0 2 3 1 0 2 78 98 Round 15 Jun 25 Saints Loss 22-62 5 6 11 2 0 0 3 12 0 1 1 3 0 1 1 55 63 Round 13 Jun 13 Eagles Loss 81-85 4 3 7 2 0 0 7 14 0 2 4 4 0 1 3 58 65 Round 12 Jun 5 Bombers Win 123-84 13 6 19 6 0 1 2 19 1 6 1 2 0 0 0 97 93 Round 11 May 30 Crows Win 111-83 6 1 7 2 2 1 3 9 0 2 0 2 0 2 0 62 65

[Bornadog]

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Compared to English

Player Statistics Comparison

Mabior Chol Name Timothy English Richmond Tigers Team Western Bulldogs Forward, Ruck Position Forward, Ruck 31 Career Games 65 Aspley Origin South Fremantle January 29, 1997 Date of Birth August 10, 1997 24yr 6mth Age 24yr 0mth 200cm Height 205cm 91kg Weight 93kg 2018 Rookie Draft Last Drafted In 2016 National Draft Round 3, Pick #45 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #19 Richmond Tigers Last Drafted By Western Bulldogs 2021 Stats for Season 2021 10 Games 18 5.9 Kicks 7.3 4.1 Handballs 5.8 10.0 Disposals 13.1 3.1 Marks 5.2 0.7 Goals 1.1 0.4 Behinds 0.7 2.5 Tackles 2.8 12.3 Hitouts 15.6 1.7 Inside 50s 1.3 0.1 Goal Assists 0.2 0.8 Frees For 1.0 0.8 Frees Against 1.2 5.4 Contested Possessions 6.2 4.9 Uncontested Possessions 6.9 7.0 Effective Disposals 9.5 70% Disposal Efficiency % 72.5% 2.0 Clangers 2.4 1.0 Contested Marks 1.7 0.7 Marks Inside 50 1.6 2.1 Clearances 1.7 0.7 Rebound 50s 0.7 2.6 One Percenters 2.8 0 Bounces 0.1 65.8 Time On Ground % 81.7 0.5 Centre Clearances 0.4 1.6 Stoppage Clearances 1.2 2.5 Score Involvements 4.5 157.5 Metres Gained 165.7 2.1 Turnovers 2.5 3.3 Intercepts 2.7 0 Tackles Inside 50 0.6

[Grantysghost]

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Is he any good?

2021 Games Log for Mabior Chol (Richmond Tigers) Description Date Opponent Result Round 23 Aug 21 Hawks Draw 83-83 5 2 7 4 1 1 3 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 54 53 Round 20 Aug 1 Dockers Loss 51-55 6 2 8 4 0 0 1 6 0 1 0 4 2 1 1 42 32 Round 19 Jul 25 Cats Loss 57-95 3 3 6 1 0 0 1 5 0 2 5 1 1 2 0 29 42 Round 18 Jul 16 Lions Win 106-86 8 2 10 4 4 0 1 12 0 2 4 1 1 1 1 78 113 Round 17 Jul 11 Magpies Loss 71-87 2 9 11 1 0 0 2 17 0 0 3 0 2 0 0 52 51 Round 16 Jul 1 Suns Loss 67-77 7 7 14 5 0 1 2 25 0 0 2 3 1 0 2 78 98 Round 15 Jun 25 Saints Loss 22-62 5 6 11 2 0 0 3 12 0 1 1 3 0 1 1 55 63 Round 13 Jun 13 Eagles Loss 81-85 4 3 7 2 0 0 7 14 0 2 4 4 0 1 3 58 65 Round 12 Jun 5 Bombers Win 123-84 13 6 19 6 0 1 2 19 1 6 1 2 0 0 0 97 93 Round 11 May 30 Crows Win 111-83 6 1 7 2 2 1 3 9 0 2 0 2 0 2 0 62 65

I think he doesn't mind throwing his weight around from what I have seen as compared to Tim. Raw numbers probably similar.

Certainly better than Cox which I am loathe to even entertain. I don't rate at all.

[soupman]

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Compared to English

Tbf Chol played as the sole ruck in one of the games from round 11 onwards, while English has been a 1st ruck basically the entire time.

I don't really rate him as a main ruck, he doesn't seem to have the brute strength a lot of the good ones have and not sure he is able to impact around the ground like English. I do think he would be a good second ruck option, but thats what I think English is so we don't need two.

Ladhams is a similiar but better version imo. Not really the strong tap ruck i want, but is better around the ground and possibly a better forward too imo.

Cox does not inspire at all and has never really shown an ability to get bulk hitouts unless he has been playing a team without a ruck. Ceglar i think is alright and holds his own in the ruck without being a weapon, and is competent even if uninspiring around the ground. He would be my pick of that bunch but it's not like I'm super keen.

[jeemak]

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With Timmy there it does give us the flexibility to consider a ruck who isn't much of a threat forward (a la Stef).
The little I've seen of Max Lynch suggests he wouldn't worry defenders too much. I doubt opposition coaches would be concerned about Ceglar forward either, and he seems to have been mentioned a few times.

Interesting question. Let's suppose our first few options have dried up and we are stuck with a choice between Ceglar and Mason Cox - who do you prefer?

I'd go with Ceglar. I think as Az has said he's shown he can hold down a first ruck spot and that's the player we need.

[Bornadog]

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Another way to look at it.

Here are the top 25 for hitouts. Who can we target.

2021 AFL League Hitouts Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

Rank Player Team Games Hitouts for Last Game Average 1 Brodie Grundy Magpies 20 23 v Essendon, Round 23 32.40 2 Max Gawn Demons 22 39 v Geelong, Round 23 31.95 3 Nicholas Naitanui Eagles 22 53 v Brisbane, Round 23 31.09 4 Patrick Ryder Saints 12 27 v West Coast, Round 19 30.00 5 Todd Goldstein Kangaroos 22 41 v Adelaide, Round 23 29.64 6 Reilly O'Brien Crows 20 28 v Port Adelaide, Round 21 29.40 7 Marc Pittonet Blues 13 27 v GWS, Round 14 29.23 8 Oscar McInerney Lions 21 24 v West Coast, Round 23 28.62 9 Sean Darcy Dockers 21 16 v St Kilda, Round 23 28.52 10 Scott Lycett Power 18 40 v Western Bulldogs, Round 23 26.50 11 Ned Reeves Hawks 5 31 v Brisbane, Round 20 26.00 12 Shane Mumford Giants 12 28 v Richmond, Round 22 24.42 13 Tom Hickey Swans 20 24 v Gold Coast, Round 23 23.55 14 Sam Draper Bombers 12 20 v Collingwood, Round 23 22.58 15 Toby Nankervis Tigers 16 23 v GWS, Round 22 22.56 16 Zac Smith Suns 9 26 v Sydney, Round 23 21.22 17 Jonathon Ceglar Hawks 12 24 v Richmond, Round 23 20.92 18 Andrew Phillips Bombers 6 25 v Richmond, Round 12 20.67 19 Jordon Sweet Bulldogs 5 17 v Melbourne, Round 11 19.80 20 Rhys Stanley Cats 16 33 v Melbourne, Round 23 19.38 21 Matthew Flynn Giants 12 22 v Sydney, Round 18 18.50 22 Rowan Marshall Saints 13 13 v Fremantle, Round 23 18.46 23 Stefan Martin Bulldogs 7 8 v Fremantle, Round 12 17.57 24 Kieren Briggs Giants 5 26 v Carlton, Round 23 17.00 25 Ben McEvoy Hawks 22 13 v Richmond, Round 23 16.86