Jamarra Ugle-Hagan

[Stevo]

On BF the mods were trying to curb the unsubstantiated rumors where people were passing speculation off as fact. There was no attempt to curb discussion of Marra. However, the mods must limit or eliminate baseless slander, racism and malicious posting about players.

And they did a good job at achieving that but in my opinion a lot of comments that got through were worse that what has been said on here. FB was quite shocking in comparison to here.

[LongWait]

And they did a good job at achieving that but in my opinion a lot of comments that got through were worse that what has been said on here. FB was quite shocking in comparison to here.

I think you'll find that the offending posts on BF were deleted.

[Dogs 24/7]

I think you'll find that the offending posts on BF were deleted.

No doubt. It's a good site.

[GVGjr]

I feel as though I have missed something here, what actually was seen or done by Marra on Brownlow night?

This is what Jay Clark recently wrote. Nothing specific mentioned.

Who could forget his Nicky Winmar-style celebration and the talent of a man who booted five goals that night in an inspirational stand?

But his journey from a town of about 170 people in Victoria’s west to one of the competition’s most damaging key forwards has not been straightforward.

And to observers, it was clear on Brownlow Medal night that problems were at hand.

The Dogs have rallied behind Ugle-Hagan, desperately supporting him and providing help for the issues that have largely kept him off the training track now for months.

[ArsenalFC]

We sometimes judge actions/situations as the final outcome in making up our minds with certain players. I recall the early Libba incident and how he's turned that around and we're sitting here thankful how he's manage to move past that moment. It could have gone a number of ways. I'll make my judgement on JUH in a few years once i see how the future plays out. Humans stuff up, for me, its how you recover following that event.

[NAUGHTY100]

We sometimes judge actions/situations as the final outcome in making up our minds with certain players. I recall the early Libba incident and how he's turned that around and we're sitting here thankful how he's manage to move past that moment. It could have gone a number of ways. I'll make my judgement on JUH in a few years once i see how the future plays out. Humans stuff up, for me, its how you recover following that event.

Can you imagine coming from a town of 170 people to the bright lights of Melbourne , wouldn't be easy , and theses guys who are star bound have all sorts of people pulling at them, this way and that some good some bad , and for a kid of 20 it couldn't have been easy to decipher between the good guys and the bad . He now needs a father figure to show him the way , im hopeful between the club his management and the players association he will get the help he needs to come out of this and become a mentor to his race and the footballer we all want him to be .

[mjp]

He now needs a father figure to show him the way...

Really?

"Oh poor boy stood there, hung his head and cried
Hung his head and cried
Poor boy stood and hung his head and cried
Said, "Father will you look on me as a child?"
Yeah"

He's a man. He's been living independently for a long time now. He doesn't need a father figure...I am 100% confident that Jamarra knows exactly what he needs to do. What he needs to decide is whether or not he is prepared to do it. We've seen him kick match winning goals from outside 50m (vs Melbourne) and watched him do a Winmar impersonation showing his pride in his heritage. He's not a kid and he's a competitive beast...footy is relentless though and it isn't for everyone. When he misses the competition - or when he isn't getting it in other parts of his life - he'll be back. Until then he's just trying to find his way...

The footy club can only do so much here. Jamarra has to want to step forward and CHOOSE to play footy. He knows what that means in terms of his day-to-day actions.

[NAUGHTY100]

Really?

"Oh poor boy stood there, hung his head and cried
Hung his head and cried
Poor boy stood and hung his head and cried
Said, "Father will you look on me as a child?"
Yeah"

He's a man. He's been living independently for a long time now. He doesn't need a father figure...I am 100% confident that Jamarra knows exactly what he needs to do. What he needs to decide is whether or not he is prepared to do it. We've seen him kick match winning goals from outside 50m (vs Melbourne) and watched him do a Winmar impersonation showing his pride in his heritage. He's not a kid and he's a competitive beast...footy is relentless though and it isn't for everyone. When he misses the competition - or when he isn't getting it in other parts of his life - he'll be back. Until then he's just trying to find his way...

The footy club can only do so much here. Jamarra has to want to step forward and CHOOSE to play footy. He knows what that means in terms of his day-to-day actions.

Of course his a man and he should know what to do but at this point of time he obviously dosnt know what he wants , he has 2 choices either he wants to play football or he dosnt , simple for us because we are in the right frame of mind , his not , so all of us regardless of age sometimes need someone to steer them in the right direction , we are not all strong minded strong willed some of us need help and he clearly does need help , and as you say he knows what he needs to do and its up to him weather his prepared to do it , but again do we all not at certain times need someone we can relate to that can help us through the hard times .

[Rusty12]

Can you imagine coming from a town of 170 people to the bright lights of Melbourne , wouldn't be easy , and theses guys who are star bound have all sorts of people pulling at them, this way and that some good some bad , and for a kid of 20 it couldn't have been easy to decipher between the good guys and the bad . He now needs a father figure to show him the way , im hopeful between the club his management and the players association he will get the help he needs to come out of this and become a mentor to his race and the footballer we all want him to be .

Settling in Melbourne, there still loads of role models and mentors to find, many right under your nose, from all walks of life and cultures.
You choose the company you keep once you get to AFL level.
Taleneted young athletes who grow up in low socio-economic situations from large cities, are often trying to break those connections, and people pulling them down.
This is not a sob story, Scotch College, from year 9 is way more privilege and opportunity than many young athletes around Australia ever get.

[NAUGHTY100]

Settling in Melbourne, there still loads of role models and mentors to find, many right under your nose, from all walks of life and cultures.
You choose the company you keep once you get to AFL level.
Taleneted young athletes who grow up in low socio-economic situations from large cities, are often trying to break those connections, and people pulling them down.
This is not a sob story, Scotch College, from year 9 is way more privilege and opportunity than many young athletes around Australia ever get.

I agree , i agree totally but my point and maybe my wording was wrong in father figure , but we all need help at times and he obviously does at this time in his life , and i don't want to get into arguments about this , im just making an observation. Jamarra is a man who should know right from wrong and our prisons are full of men and women who know right from wrong but chose the wrong way , and maybe football isn't his path and like mjp said its up to him to decide , but my point in all this is that isn't it better to have someone help , end of story .

[Rusty12]

I agree , i agree totally but my point and maybe my wording was wrong in father figure , but we all need help at times and he obviously does at this time in his life , and i don't want to get into arguments about this , im just making an observation. Jamarra is a man who should know right from wrong and our prisons are full of men and women who know right from wrong but chose the wrong way , and maybe football isn't his path and like mjp said its up to him to decide , but my point in all this is that isn't it better to have someone help , end of story .

For sure mate, and we have to think there has already been a lot of help and support offered from the club and so many places. And I am sure, that help will keep coming.

[NAUGHTY100]

For sure mate, and we have to think there has already been a lot of help and support offered from the club and so many places. And I am sure, that help will keep coming.

We have to be careful about this topic , because sure he has had help i have no doubt, but people who are going through personal issues don't magically respond when they are given help , sometimes it takes a long time before they come out the other end , and some never find the light at the end of the tunnel , so its a tricky question as to when and if Jamarra come back to football , and may i add Jamarra himself has said he dosnt watch football and dosnt really like football , so go figure .

[GVGjr]

Really?

He's a man. He's been living independently for a long time now. He doesn't need a father figure...I am 100% confident that Jamarra knows exactly what he needs to do. What he needs to decide is whether or not he is prepared to do it. We've seen him kick match winning goals from outside 50m (vs Melbourne) and watched him do a Winmar impersonation showing his pride in his heritage. He's not a kid and he's a competitive beast...footy is relentless though and it isn't for everyone. When he misses the competition - or when he isn't getting it in other parts of his life - he'll be back. Until then he's just trying to find his way...

The footy club can only do so much here. Jamarra has to want to step forward and CHOOSE to play footy. He knows what that means in terms of his day-to-day actions.

I agree with a lot of this but I'm not sure he is really a man because he just gives off a youngsters vibe when I have met him.
He boarded away from home before he was drafted and he was hungry and very focused to be the the #1 pick in his draft year.
He maintains a strong link to his family and the small town where he was raised. He is an incredibly proud indigenous player and takes his position within that community seriously.
I suspect it will genuinely hurt him to not be part of the game in Fremantle with his indigenous mates.
Somewhere along the way he has lost his dedication and passion for the game and there could be some good reasons for that but we have arrived at this point where no one really knows what the next 2 to 12 months looks like for him.

He needs to listen to the club and his management group because they genuinely have his best interests at heart and start working on a remedy.
Others have achieved it, he can to but it's all up to him. I wish him all the best regardless if he recaptures his hunger to be a great AFL footballer or not.

[mjp]

You don't have to be a father figure to be a role model.

I guess that's where I'm coming from...he doesn't need a 'father figure' - he needs to utilise the role models in his life for sure (and yep, there are heaps at the club)...

[doggies ftw]

I agree with a lot of this but I'm not sure he is really a man because he just gives off a youngsters vibe when I have met him.
He boarded away from home before he was drafted and he was hungry and very focused to be the the #1 pick in his draft year.
He maintains a strong link to his family and the small town where he was raised. He is an incredibly proud indigenous player and takes his position within that community seriously.
I suspect it will genuinely hurt him to not be part of the game in Fremantle with his indigenous mates.
Somewhere along the way he has lost his dedication and passion for the game and there could be some good reasons for that but we have arrived at this point where no one really knows what the next 2 to 12 months looks like for him.

He needs to listen to the club and his management group because they genuinely have his best interests at heart and start working on a remedy.
Others have achieved it, he can to but it's all up to him. I wish him all the best regardless if he recaptures his hunger to be a great AFL footballer or not.

Problem is his management group is notoriously a pack of ****s with only their own interests at heart, definitely not our clubs as we’ve seen and likely not Marras unless he’s bringing in cash - I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re a big part of the issue or at the very least, not helping.