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  • Grantysghost
    Bouncing Strong
    • Apr 2010
    • 18880

    Originally posted by Jeanette54

    Well, at the moment we are discussing as to whether this is a suitable topic for discussion, a point you raised in your post.
    Yes and it probably isn't right? What more will you learn from this,?
    BT COME BACK!​

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    • Grantysghost
      Bouncing Strong
      • Apr 2010
      • 18880

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic

      This is the point. It’s a discussion forum. I think we should be able to discuss a star player while respecting him without exception. Everyone wants him healthy, happy and when ready playing footy. It’s what we all wanted for passed players that went through various battles like Tom Boyd did. But we can discuss it, be respectful and call out posts which are highly speculative and not in the spirit of this community. Discussion also allows us to defend him from the BS media that will eventually come and to show support for him. I don’t think banning a topic of discussion is the answer here. In fact, if posters crossed the line about him I’d have no hesitation in calling that out. It’s a slippery slope banning speech when this forum has shown for nearly 20 years it can respectfully discussed difficult and nuanced issues. No one here wants anything but the best for him and I want the opportunity to offer full throated support and also defence if/when needed should the media start to get tabloid about Marra. But I can’t do that is discussing him is banned.

      i think it’s a better policy to make clear there are multiple posters with close personal ties. Which is clear. I think also if anyone is upset at a comment then play the post and not the poster. Make people explain what they mean and offer a defence/support/rebuttal of why they made a comment. But banning topics or swiping posters such as myself who has been refraining from the topic out of respect (who mentioned banning wasn’t the way to go) doesn’t achieve anything.
      This feels like a bigger theme for you than Marra. Remember him?

      There's nothing more to learn.

      Time to move on.
      BT COME BACK!​

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        Originally posted by Grantysghost

        What exactly do you want to discuss?

        ​​​​​I mean you've just said Marra didn't put in any effort on "match day"

        Maybe be bold enough to say which match.

        He was our leading goal kicker last season so I need some clarification. Or are you here just to lay the boots in for some unknown reason.
        I’ve never known Jeanette to lay boots in. Ever. Everyone here loves the club and I dare say all financially support the club.

        But it’s a fair counter balance to absolutely say he led our goal kicking last year and like the club, shouldn’t just be judged on the EF.

        No one is putting in boots GG. I get it might feel like it. But I can’t see it on my screen.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 18880

          Originally posted by bulldogtragic

          I’ve never known Jeanette to lay boots in. Ever. Everyone here loves the club and I dare say all financially support the club.

          But it’s a fair counter balance to absolutely say he led our goal kicking last year and like the club, shouldn’t just be judged on the EF.

          No one is putting in boots GG. I get it might feel like it. But I can’t see it on my screen.
          So question again, what exactly do you want to discuss?
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • Stevo
            Senior Player
            • May 2008
            • 1027

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic

            This is the point. It’s a discussion forum. I think we should be able to discuss a star player while respecting him without exception. Everyone wants him healthy, happy and when ready playing footy. It’s what we all wanted for passed players that went through various battles like Tom Boyd did. But we can discuss it, be respectful and call out posts which are highly speculative and not in the spirit of this community. Discussion also allows us to defend him from the BS media that will eventually come and to show support for him. I don’t think banning a topic of discussion is the answer here. In fact, if posters crossed the line about him I’d have no hesitation in calling that out. It’s a slippery slope banning speech when this forum has shown for nearly 20 years it can respectfully discussed difficult and nuanced issues. No one here wants anything but the best for him and I want the opportunity to offer full throated support and also defence if/when needed should the media start to get tabloid about Marra. But I can’t do that is discussing him is banned.

            i think it’s a better policy to make clear there are multiple posters with close personal ties. Which is clear. I think also if anyone is upset at a comment then play the post and not the poster. Make people explain what they mean and offer a defence/support/rebuttal of why they made a comment. But banning topics or swiping posters such as myself who has been refraining from the topic out of respect (who mentioned banning wasn’t the way to go) doesn’t achieve anything.
            I'm right behind that it's a proper discussion to have but it seems it's aggravating a few here and it's going to get dirty until something gives.
            As such I'm going to step back from this thread cause I just don't need the aggro.
            To everyone (99%) who added their thoughts without making it personal against Marra I do thank you for sharing your thoughts.
            All the best for Marra and I hope he makes a complete recovery.

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34316

              Originally posted by Grantysghost

              This feels like a bigger theme for you than Marra. Remember him?

              There's nothing more to learn.

              Time to move on.
              What theme now? First you’re unhappy with posts I hadn’t made recently. Now there’s a theme you see. Yes, Marra is the guy I keep saying I want to see healthy, happy and eventually playing footy when ready.

              Im happy to post about footy topics in a respectful way which my 18+ years here demonstrates. I don’t think focusing on posters merely saying that discussion on a discussion forum is overly controversial is warranted. But yep, move on…
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • Jeanette54
                Senior Player
                • Oct 2009
                • 1241

                Originally posted by Grantysghost


                ​​​​​I mean you've just said Marra didn't put in any effort on "match day"
                That is not what I said, I suggest you re-read the post. I said "if a player", trying to make a point about what is a suitable topic for this forum.

                The truth will set you free,
                but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34316

                  Originally posted by Grantysghost

                  So question again, what exactly do you want to discuss?
                  I hadn’t posted in this thread for it appears 10 days. I guess some people might want to discuss our footy boss comments about him. Which doesn’t seem outrageous if that’s what they want to do.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44272

                    All, can we all please step back from this for the balance of the day? It's seriously got off track
                    I'd hope we can all take a small breather and see if things can calm down for a while.
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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 66082

                      Originally posted by Rusty12

                      And if failing to do so, should you be eligible for selection?
                      No, he should not have played
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                      • Grantysghost
                        Bouncing Strong
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 18880

                        Originally posted by GVGjr
                        All, can we all please step back from this for the balance of the day? It's seriously got off track
                        I'd hope we can all take a small breather and see if things can calm down for a while.
                        Gary I love you, but this is a borderline thread.
                        Im taking a break.
                        BT COME BACK!​

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                        • Grantysghost
                          Bouncing Strong
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 18880

                          Originally posted by Jeanette54

                          That is not what I said, I suggest you re-read the post. I said "if a player", trying to make a point about what is a suitable topic for this forum.
                          Wowee ok you're not talking about Marra in a thread that says the marra debacle.

                          You can not write this
                          BT COME BACK!​

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18880

                            Originally posted by bulldogtragic

                            I hadn’t posted in this thread for it appears 10 days. I guess some people might want to discuss our footy boss comments about him. Which doesn’t seem outrageous if that’s what they want to do.
                            What exactly do you want to discuss ?
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              Originally posted by Grantysghost

                              What exactly do you want to discuss ?
                              Gary respectfully asked everyone to stop posting. Not sure if you saw that request. So that’s what I’m doing. If you feel this is achieving something positive, then feel free to tag me tomorrow. But until then I’m respecting the wishes of the guy that runs this forum.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • chef
                                Hall of Fame
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 14579

                                Originally posted by Rusty12
                                If the Bali stuff is true, the club really need to take some responsibility for playing Marra in the Elim final and accept how that undermines all values they set around professionalism, integrity of selection etc, etc. It takes years to build that level of trust in a program.
                                Hopefully, they have put their hand up and made that a theme for the pre-season, if not, those cracks will start to appear in the 2025 season.
                                Maybe a moment the club would love to have again.
                                The curse is dead.

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