Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Let's not be naive here -- that was a 'come and get me' call to potential suitors out there.

None of these guys go on shows and talk candidly; he would have had a chat to his manager about how to orchestrate the outcome he wants. Of COURSE he has to show that he's still a Dogs player, but no one who respects the club and still wants to stay will put on a performance like that.

He (and his manager) knows that there are at least 2 or 3 clubs out there close to a flag that could really do with a gun key defender, it's his last contract and a bidding war will drive up what he can snag. He was never completely happy with the contract he got from us a couple of years ago, and with the inflationary pressures on salaries, from GC, GWS and the new TV deal, he knows that there's a big chance clubs will take a punt and pay him top dollar.

[The Underdog]

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As I mentioned earlier I hope he stays. I just have this sinking feeling he will be in yellow and brown next year, perhaps with Hill.

I can't see how he'd get there, what could they possibly give us in return that they'd be willing to part with?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Monty is contracted next year.

Monty and Williams are contracted for next year, however, Dean's contract is up.

It's worrying that we have a number of personnel contracted for next year who otherwise would be shown the door.

Monty, Fantasia?, Williams?, Gilbee, Hargrave?

* Williams/Hargrave for different circumstances. Hargrave's is purely injured related.

As for Lake and a trade, I can't see a club satisfying us. Hawthorn and Carlton would need more than their first pick to get the deal done, and with Lake's big contract, it seems all too much.

[LostDoggy]

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It's worrying that we have a number of personnel contracted for next year who otherwise would be shown the door.

Monty, Fantasia?, Williams?, Gilbee, Hargrave?

* Williams/Hargrave for different circumstances. Hargrave's is purely injured related.

As for Lake and a trade, I can't see a club satisfying us. Hawthorn and Carlton would need more than their first pick to get the deal done, and with Lake's big contract, it seems all too much.

If Lake says he wants out, and a club offers a first round pick, I am almost 100% certain we'll take it.

[The Underdog]

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If Lake says he wants out, and a club offers a first round pick, I am almost 100% certain we'll take it.

Hawthorn's first round pick this year is a mid 2nd round pick most other years. If we gave Lake up for that I'd be gutted.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Hawthorn's first round pick this year is a mid 2nd round pick most other years. If we gave Lake up for that I'd be gutted.

This.

[LostDoggy]

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Hawthorn's first round pick this year is a mid 2nd round pick most other years. If we gave Lake up for that I'd be gutted.

Would we take the risk of having another year like this with Brian? Would we overcompensate after trying to play hardball with the Hill trade last year? Would we risk having an underperforming, unhappy, aging player on our list when we are looking to 'refresh' with some youth? What confidence do you have in our trading team to hold their nerve?

As for a contract, Lake knows that his body doesn't have long to go and will probably be happy to accept two years on top dollar, and clubs who feel close to a premiership will probably be happy to take the punt -- it's not a massive risk as it's only two years, and will pay for itself if it comes off.

Brian and his management know that they hold most of the aces here.

[G-Mo77]

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Hawthorn's first round pick this year is a mid 2nd round pick most other years. If we gave Lake up for that I'd be gutted.

What if we got a decent young player packaged with the pick?

[LostDoggy]

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What if we got a decent young player packaged with the pick?

Who would we want?

[stefoid]

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I dont want Lake to go, but the hawks did get rid of their aging, injured tall timber and replaced them with roughhead, Buddy and a premiership. Just saying.

The trouble is, this particular draft is pretty crap.

If we could get a compo pick from a shit team for Lake...somehow... that we could use in 2012, that might be the way to go, if forced to trade.

[chef]

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Who would we want?

From Hawthorn, Lisle would be nice.

[mjp]

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If we could get a compo pick from a shit team for Lake...somehow... that we could use in 2012, that might be the way to go, if forced to trade.

Have the rules changed to allow you to trade future draft picks? I didn't think you could do that?

If we wanted to trade Lake (which I hope we don't - he is our best player) then our only choice would be to somehow include GWS to get one of the eligible 17year olds. No idea how this could be orchestrated, but given he wants to stay in Melbourne it would have to be a three team deal.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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From Hawthorn, Lisle would be nice.

I really don't rate Lisle at all. Seems to lack conviction and is a terrible kick from what I've seen. Whilst it's limited (what I've seen), I've seen a tall, skinny spud.

What do you like about him?

[chef]

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I really don't rate Lisle at all. Seems to lack conviction and is a terrible kick from what I've seen. Whilst it's limited (what I've seen), I've seen a tall, skinny spud.

What do you like about him?

Terrific mark and could hold down FF for us next season IMO, his kicking lacks a bit but that's no different to nearly all the other KF's in the league. He's at the right age for us and won't cost to much. He and Jones could be our KF's for the next 10 years.

Lake for Hawks first round and Lisle would be good for us IMO. But I would rather Lake stay and finish his career as a Bulldog great, whether that be at the end of next year or in 4 years time.

[azabob]

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Perhaps it's already begun.

What have you heard and or seen?