Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Lets be realistic, I can't see the club turning over the volume of players that some posters on here think.

Gilbee
Hargrave
Hooper
Mulligan
Moles

That's 5 and thats all we need to cut to take our allocated picks in the draft.
Have I missed something or do we need to cut more guys to fulfill any league rules, or are people calling for turning over 9+ players just because....

Not interested in upgrading any rookies?

Don't think Johannisen or Campbell might get a gig for instance?

[Mofra]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Gilbee
Hargrave
Hooper
Mulligan
Moles

That's 5 and thats all we need to cut to take our allocated picks in the draft.
Have I missed something or do we need to cut more guys to fulfill any league rules, or are people calling for turning over 9+ players just because....

We have stated we want to use 5 picks in the top 50, so add rookie upgrades and we will need to cull (or trade out) more than 5 players.

B-Mac's had a look at the list this year, now he gets the chance to start to shape it.

[LostDoggy]

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Has anyone heard the Murphy rumors?

[azabob]

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Has anyone heard the Murphy rumors?

I haven't. I can't imagine they would be true.

We need to keep all the experience we can around the club.

[LostDoggy]

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I haven't. I can't imagine they would be true.

We need to keep all the experience we can around the club.

Yeah we do and from what I can tell, Bobby is as loyal as they come and loves the club

[Bornadog]

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Has anyone heard the Murphy rumors?

Tell us more?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Tell us more?

Saw a tweet from AFL offseason claiming that Murph will play big part in trade week. Wants to move to a club that will play finals to finish career on a high. The tweeter claims that he's an "AFL" fanatic so I don't think it's a media person. Hopefully just another BS rumor

[BulldogBelle]

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Given the heart felt speech he gave at the hall of fame night about what it meant to be a bulldog, I would think this is just baseless speculation

[Max469]

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Saw a tweet from AFL offseason claiming that Murph will play big part in trade week. Wants to move to a club that will play finals to finish career on a high. The tweeter claims that he's an "AFL" fanatic so I don't think it's a media person. Hopefully just another BS rumor

His name is Robert Murphy NOT Nathan Brown.

Can't imagine it would be true.

Someone just stirring up trouble. Well they can just bugger off.

Murph's words:

There's also the simple logic of acknowledging just how bloody special it is to play league football, especially for a club as proud as the Bulldogs.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

Lets be realistic, I can't see the club turning over the volume of players that some posters on here think.

Gilbee
Hargrave
Hooper
Mulligan
Moles

That's 5 and thats all we need to cut to take our allocated picks in the draft.
Have I missed something or do we need to cut more guys to fulfill any league rules, or are people calling for turning over 9+ players just because....

Before trade period I'd hazard to guess we'll have 6 picks at least.
Got the five you've mentioned plus DJ and Skinner, question mark on Panos.
Throw Sherman in as well! Could be 9 delistings

[LostDoggy]

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I think some posters are looking at Skinner through a different prism. Clearly the MC are playing him to fast track his development even though he is not ready. The best way to improve his ability to cope with the tempo of the game, to learn how to lead and where to run, how to position himself and to learn what defenders do is to PLAY HIM in blocks of games.

If we look at Skinner throughout the prism of a development continuum and not through a judgemental one of where he is at now, we can arrive at a different conclusion about him.

Of course he is poor in many areas but that is not what this is about. It's about what he learns each week and whether he can implement any of it the next week.

Against Richmond I saw him lead more than he has before…and get in front…and get free kicks. Against the Swans he took a strong contested mark in the forward line. Each one of these represents small steps in his development.

I will be disappointed if the club move him on as it would mean we are looking at players as to how they are performing now and not how we can develop them. Nevertheless I can understand the club saying that there are better opportunities out there to develop…….and we need to go after the best available. But that is not an exact science is it?

I'd give him another preseason and then evaluate if the progress he has made is sufficient for an AFL footballer.

[Ghost Dog]

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I think some posters are looking at Skinner through a different prism. Clearly the MC are playing him to fast track his development even though he is not ready. The best way to improve his ability to cope with the tempo of the game, to learn how to lead and where to run, how to position himself and to learn what defenders do is to PLAY HIM in blocks of games.

If we look at Skinner throughout the prism of a development continuum and not through a judgemental one of where he is at now, we can arrive at a different conclusion about him.

Of course he is poor in many areas but that is not what this is about. It's about what he learns each week and whether he can implement any of it the next week.

Against Richmond I saw him lead more than he has before…and get in front…and get free kicks. Against the Swans he took a strong contested mark in the forward line. Each one of these represents small steps in his development.

I will be disappointed if the club move him on as it would mean we are looking at players as to how they are performing now and not how we can develop them. Nevertheless I can understand the club saying that there are better opportunities out there to develop…….and we need to go after the best available. But that is not an exact science is it?

I'd give him another preseason and then evaluate if the progress he has made is sufficient for an AFL footballer.

Some good points. In general, you would think the MC are playing people it intends to strongly consider keeping next season. Would they really play anyone who wasn't hitting their performance targets?

[stefoid]

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They are also playing Djekurra and gave Hooper a game as well.

List spots are valuable commodities and fringe players and rookies need to be upgraded when they show they can play, or dropped quickly so the next promising lad can have his chance.

I reckon if you had a firm policy turning firnge players and rookies over quickly if they fail to show anything, you will find more genuine players overall, even though you will miss a few due to pulling the trigger too early.

Skinner has shown basically no improvement in two years - hes a little stronger, a little fitter and just as clueless. Time to give someone else a chance.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Retirements, Trades, Delistings and the Rookie list

They are also playing Djekurra and gave Hooper a game as well.

List spots are valuable commodities and fringe players and rookies need to be upgraded when they show they can play, or dropped quickly so the next promising lad can have his chance.

I reckon if you had a firm policy turning firnge players and rookies over quickly if they fail to show anything, you will find more genuine players overall, even though you will miss a few due to pulling the trigger too early.

Skinner has shown basically no improvement in two years - hes a little stronger, a little fitter and just as clueless. Time to give someone else a chance.

If he hadn't shown improvement, he wouldn't be in the team. As soon as he stops improving, he will be dropped. I'm dead sure the people at the club are pretty serious about fielding the best players possible. We saw this with Grant. He was dropped like a hot potato and sent back to the gym. I'm dead certain they will drop Skinner just as fast if he slacks off.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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If he hadn't shown improvement, he wouldn't be in the team. As soon as he stops improving, he will be dropped. I'm dead sure the people at the club are pretty serious about fielding the best players possible. We saw this with Grant. He was dropped like a hot potato and sent back to the gym. I'm dead certain they will drop Skinner just as fast if he slacks off.

exactly. im certain the MC have a fair idea of what is going on.