Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

I never said it was a good thing nor did I say we are trying to lose. I just said winning is not the major focus this year.

It's really important to develop a culture where winning doesn't matter.
Is the attractive brand we play?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R17 Western Bulldogs vs Carlton

Axe to grind. That's the way it comes across from a keyboard POV anyway.

If Eade stayed on and we were in the same position there would be much less vitriol aimed at the coach.

Sorry that's bs.
I was an Eade fan but he is gone and maybe that needed to happen.
Its been brought up a number of times that he seems to be the only one that's lost his job.

From what I have seen this year I don't rate McCartney as a coach.
He can blame the past but decisions made this year are more puzzling than whether a stalwart played a season or two too many.

[Eastdog]

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Sorry that's bs.
I was an Eade fan but he is gone and maybe that needed to happen.
Its been brought up a number of times that he seems to be the only one that's lost his job.

From what I have seen this year I don't rate McCartney as a coach.
He can blame the past but decisions made this year are more puzzling than whether a stalwart played a season or two too many.

McCartney being formally an assistant coach at Geelong in their premiership years and when they were up there must count for something. It is just too easy to blame Macca right now for the current situation. I think he is trying to implement a game plan but its not coming off.

[Sedat]

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Hi Sedat, you are very passionate (not sure of the correct word) about this issue and rightly so. Can I ask have you written a formal letter of complaint as a member to the appropriate person?

That's a very good question. I haven't and I probably should.

Passionate is the right word. It is an issue that staggered me at the time and staggers me just as much now. On every conceivable measure of performance evaluation, Fantasia has been a complete and utter failure in his role of list manager and player contract negotiator from 2009-2011. Rocket would have some culpability with some of these poor decisions in that time but nowhere near as much culpability as Fantasia, and yet Fantasia was appointed to oversee the review of our on-field operations at the end of last season??? It defies any semblance of logic and belief.

I was extremely comfortable with BMac's appointment up to Round 9 this season. He had us playing a brand of football that had an identifiable end point and the players were, to a man, buying in to his plans. We only suffered one awful peformance in that time (against St Kilda) and put in a number of creditable performances against contenders of the calibre of Adelaide (in Adelaide), Collingwood and Geelong. But since then it has become apparent that the opposition are structuring up against us to counter the BMac game plan and we haven't come close to unlocking the code to counter this. It might well be a personnel issue but the coaching panel haven't appeared to find any answers in that time since Round 9. The logic of building and perfecting the base (ie: contested possessions) is sound, but it is equally important to observe trends in the modern game and make plans to not only counter whatever the opposition thrust in our direction but actually come up with something that catches the rest of the competition napping. Perhaps the game will evolve into a one-on-one style again in a year or two as the high scores will have coaches structuring up to prevent this from occurring. It this happens, the work we have put in since the summer will have been time very well spent. If the game evolves into a different beast altogether, it will be fascinating to watch how BMac and the coaching panel respond in the next 18 months.

[AndrewP6]

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McCartney being formally an assistant coach at Geelong in their premiership years and when they were up there must count for something. It is just too easy to blame Macca right now for the current situation. I think he is trying to implement a game plan but its not coming off.

The plan's not coming off, yet we barrel on with it regardless. I think Assistant is the role he's best suited to. Doesn't have what it takes for the main job, IMO.

[Eastdog]

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The plan's not coming off, yet we barrel on with it regardless. I think Assistant is the role he's best suited to. Doesn't have what it takes for the main job, IMO.

What about other coaches who started like Macca having not coached in a senior role before but were assistants previously, Clarkson (Hawthorn), Hird (Essendon), Buckley (Collingwood), Sanderson (Adelaide) just to name a few.

[Mantis]

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McCartney being formally an assistant coach at Geelong in their premiership years and when they were up there must count for something. It is just too easy to blame Macca right now for the current situation. I think he is trying to implement a game plan but its not coming off.

When you work out what that game plan is can you let me know.

I have no idea of what we are trying to achieve especially in regard to ball movement and leading patterns.

[Eastdog]

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When you work out what that game plan is can you let me know.

I have no idea of what we are trying to achieve especially in regard to ball movement and leading patterns.

Only Macca would know. Im not sure either. He has focused on contested footy a lot.

[G-Mo77]

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Am I included in this grouping?

If I have been I am embarrassed for you to believe something so childish.

How do you know that to be the case?

I would think that every other coach in the game would have us playing their way... the result of this is unknown. What is known is that the tactics and methods that the current coach is employing aren't work at present which has all supporters (including Eade's mates) disappointed.

Sorry Mantis that is the way it comes across. I've done a lot more reading than speaking this season and noticed this trend. If it were Eade in the seat and this is the way it was unraveling there would be a hell of a lot more support. Feel free to feel embarrassed for me now.

Do I disagree with your concerns? No. I don't and agree with a lot of them but I'm going to give a coach more than 3/4 of a season to improve our team rather than hang him out to dry and take pot shots every chance I get.

[AndrewP6]

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What about other coaches who started like Macca having not coached in a senior role before but were assistants previously, Clarkson (Hawthorn), Hird (Essendon), Buckley (Collingwood), Sanderson (Adelaide) just to name a few.

They've gone alright. I don't think McCartney is. I think he's out of his depth.

[Eastdog]

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They've gone alright. I don't think McCartney is. I think he's out of his depth.

How long would you give Macca before you would consider changing coach if things don't improve.

[AndrewP6]

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How long would you give Macca before you would consider changing coach if things don't improve.

I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place, but they did, so... somewhere around April- May 2013. That's about 18 months in the job, ample time to show me he's got more tricks in his bag than I've seen thus far, and time to put more of his gameplan (whatever that may be) into place. Until then, "enjoy" the ride, I guess (in an "oh shit we're screwed" kinda way!)

I could've been more BF-like and said "Next week", but I'm trying to be mature

[Eastdog]

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I wouldn't have appointed him in the first place, but they did, so... somewhere around April- May 2013. That's about 18 months in the job, ample time to show me he's got more tricks in his bag than I've seen thus far, and time to put more of his gameplan (whatever that may be) into place. Until then, "enjoy" the ride, I guess (in an "oh shit we're screwed" kinda way!)

I could've been more BF-like and said "Next week", but I'm trying to be mature

Do you reckon we should of gone for Leon Cameron maybe when we were deciding on our new coach.

[azabob]

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Do you reckon we should of gone for Leon Cameron maybe when we were deciding on our new coach.

I think, Andrew thinks we should have stuck with Eade.

[Eastdog]

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I think, Andrew thinks we should have stuck with Eade.

Malthouse stayed at Collingwood for decade. Eade could of easily stayed on for another stint but that's history and now we have to focus on the present and going forward.